A real statement

[Kb2020dope]

Perhaps it's more a comprehension problem? I've never had any problem understanding sugilite.

All this anti LGBTQ rhetoric is imported. People pushing this nonsense lack the intelligence and originality to focus on something meaningful to this country. What kind of idiot gets upset about the colour of a pedestrian crossing?



Update: Just came cross the attachment on Facebook. It's Australian but applies equally here. We don't need the crap that is being shovelled in the US or by Farage in Britain.

I would like to admit that I was wrong.... I expected a good opinion from you, clearly I was incorrect.

I guess you a sugilite are both fluent in woke.

Mate, I know im not going to change your mind but majority of red blooded kiwi males would agree the woke agenda is the only thing that is imported.

There is a couple of guys at my gym in their late 40s that inject testosterone, im more than happy to try link you up so you can try counteract your high estrogen.

All the best. If you need help please do not hesitate to contact me.

Thanks

[sugilite:Me]

I turn up to find two essays from suglite, once again they dont make any sense! I feel like a teacher trying to grade the work of a child with fetal alcohol syndrome. Sugilite, you were 5% better, i am proud. Good boy.

Haha, what a lightweight, cannot even begin to back up your words.

Hmmm well now I feel compelled to reply since you brought me into it.

Firstly, I hope you and family are well.

Now, I don’t agree with everything KB2020 says, and I don’t want to talk about Destiny Church related content. But happy to chat on other things.

As you were.

Cheers,
Dean

All good, can respect that. Hope your family is well too.

I would like to admit that I was wrong.... I expected a good opinion from you, clearly I was incorrect.

I guess you a sugilite are both fluent in woke.

Haha, despite your best efforts to put us to sleep.

[pritch]

I guess you a sugilite are both fluent in woke.

Mate, I know im not going to change your mind but majority of red blooded kiwi males would agree the woke agenda is the only thing that is imported.

Most people who use woke as an insult can't even explain what they mean. If, as has been suggested, it basically just means consideration for others I'm OK with that.

The attack on a "drag king" reading, a new one on me, is straight out of the US culture wars. The republicans have to keep their base riled up otherwise they will realise that many of them live in poverty uncommon anywhere in the western world. Trump has mentioned "shitholes". Most US southern states have parts that qualify for that description.

[Kb2020dope]

Haha, what a lightweight, cannot even begin to back up your words.


All good, can respect that. Hope your family is well too.


Haha, despite your best efforts to put us to sleep.

I can think of a great way to put you to sleep bud.

Look, end of the day im more of a bruce Jenner fan and you're more of a Caitlin Jenner fan. You are not going to convince me celebrate a mental illness and im not going to cure yours. Lets leave it at that. All the best, you do you.

P.S. I genuinely hope no woman or girl—whether related to anyone in this thread or anywhere in this country—ever endures the trauma of being violated in a public toilet by a man in a dress. If such a tragedy does occur, I hope those defending these decisions take a hard, honest look in the mirror and confront the consequences of their stance. Also remember I was one of the voices sticking up to prevent this madness.

That is all.

[Kickaha]

P.S. I genuinely hope no woman or girl—whether related to anyone in this thread or anywhere in this country—ever endures the trauma of being violated in a public toilet by a man in a dress.

They're many time more likely to be violated by a family member, family friend or a member of the clergy than a man in a dress

[TheDemonLord]

After I made my comment - I saw this short clip:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lXkgZNZASaQ

This is why I don't think the framing of it being imported is entirely correct, I think it is more people are having the same reactions to the same problems.

[sugilite:Me]

I can think of a great way to put you to sleep bud.

Well, don't keep me in suspense, what is it?

Look, end of the day im more of a bruce Jenner fan and you're more of a Caitlin Jenner fan. You are not going to convince me celebrate a mental illness and im not going to cure yours. Lets leave it at that. All the best, you do you.

That is at the end of your day, not being able to workout that is the same person? Point to where I ask anyone to celebrate? Don't worry, I know you won't as you are too scared to do facts.

P.S. I genuinely hope no woman or girl—whether related to anyone in this thread or anywhere in this country—ever endures the trauma of being violated in a public toilet by a man in a dress. If such a tragedy does occur, I hope those defending these decisions take a hard, honest look in the mirror and confront the consequences of their stance. Also remember I was one of the voices sticking up to prevent this madness.

But you are all good with trump barging into young girls lockers for a perve, but you cannot address that can you lightweight, why is that?


Did you proudly let brian know how many children you and your cowardly thug up buddies scared that night? You brave, brave fake Christians.

After I made my comment - I saw this short clip:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lXkgZNZASaQ

This is why I don't think the framing of it being imported is entirely correct, I think it is more people are having the same reactions to the same problems.

Here is the official whitehouse spokesperson for the republican party claiming the democrat main constituency are hamas supporters, violent terrorists and illegal aliens. Watching this video, do you still assert that this party would not sensationalize and vastly overstate the dangers of the LGBTQ community and package it up into an eminantly exportable package?

[TheDemonLord]

Here is the official whitehouse spokesperson for the republican party claiming the democrat main constituency are hamas supporters, violent terrorists and illegal aliens. Watching this video, do you still assert that this party would not sensationalize and vastly overstate the dangers of the LGBTQ community and package it up into an eminantly exportable package?

I mean it is certainly embellished, but behind each claim - we can point to objective facts:

The Left supports Palestine. Are all Palestinians Terrorists? No, but when surveyed, there was something like 70-80% support for Hamas amongst Palestinians.

The Left opposes deportation of people who have entered the country illegally. To the point where they are actively trying to stop ICE, setup sancturary cities, actively oppose the attempts to legitimate deport people.

The Left releases individuals with long criminal histories (including violent offending). Who end up committing more violent crimes, instead of being in Prison.

All of those things are starting to have real world consequences.

On the Alphabet front - The problem is that the current set of ideologies have real world problems that are dismissed - Biological Males in Women's sport is probably my favorite (the TERF vs Intersectional Feminist wars are great to observe from the sidelines).

Parents are also justifiably worried that an impressionable child, probably with AUDHD might see hyper-focus on "This is why I don't feel like everyone else" and seek Medical Interventions that will leave them will long-term health complications.

Even if we assume that the Parents are just hateful bigots, there is still a justified concern, for which the rebuttal argument is extremely weak (which is why they resort to namecalling).

And that is the issue - they have painted themselves into a corner where they cannot retreat (because to do so would undermine their claims) - and so the only option is they keep trying to push forward, alienating more of the general public.

[Katman]

Here is the official whitehouse spokesperson for the republican party claiming the democrat main constituency are hamas supporters, violent terrorists and illegal aliens. Watching this video, do you still assert that this party would not sensationalize and vastly overstate the dangers of the LGBTQ community and package it up into an eminantly exportable package?

You probably can't even spell satyre.

[sugilite:Me]

I mean it is certainly embellished, but behind each claim - we can point to objective facts:

"Objective Facts" that sounds very official, done and dusted, they be facts folks!

The Left supports Palestine.

I put it to you that the average dem "main constituent" for who the word "palastine" is just a place that seldom pops up in every day conversation. I'm sure they would not classify themselves as palistinian supporters and nor would they stash a bunch checkered scarves on their persons at the ready for a spot of spontaneous virtue signaling such as you would find in your average university/internet forum/social media groups that make up the minority of the Democrat "main constituency".

Are all Palestinians Terrorists? No, but when surveyed, there was something like 70-80% support for Hamas amongst Palestinians.

I was shocked when I first read that in one of your earlier posts. Upon a spot of reflection, I find it not surprising at all that Palestinians would support a group that represents the strongest resistance to an oppressor that is vastly more wealthy, armed to the teeth and has a vast over representation of influence upon other countries. HOWEVER - Now Israel has destroyed nearly all the Palestinian infrastructure As of late July/early August 2025, over
86% of Gaza's agricultural land has been damaged by the Israeli military - (the hamas must have been hiding behind the broccoli I guess.) on the IDF led quest of genocide. I feel the vote on the hamas may be different now - or not.

The Left opposes deportation of people who have entered the country illegally. To the point where they are actively trying to stop ICE, setup sancturary cities, actively oppose the attempts to legitimate deport people.

Haha, your a walking right wing talking point machine lol. Your average "main constituent" did largely acknowledge the immigrant issue as shown in poll after poll. The dem cartel wanting to provide cheap labor to their rich mates were probs quite upset that the right wing side of the same coin - who also like to provide cheap labor to their rich mates, the dems were likely quite miffed that their usual partners in crime on the right were pissing on all of their shoes.
To add to the fun, trump is unleashing a faceless, army in plain cars that kidnap people off the streets and sends in the military to quell the tiny amount of resistance being shown. As a flag waving serious libertarian TDL - does this look like the actions of a administration set about achieving the goal of "Small Government"? Or is this indeed a possible prelude to another one of your pet projects - 2A. With an obviously tyrannical and abjectly corrupt administration, their own supporters after being fleeced by tariff taxes, having their medical payments cancelled, etc, etc could well likely end up taking up arms and executing their 2nd amendment rights that will likely end up with dear leader swinging from a rope. I'm sure pence will be at home drinking an eggnog and tipping his cap to the irony at the news of his old boss meeting the same demise trump had prescribed to pence those years ago?

The Left releases individuals with long criminal histories (including violent offending). Who end up committing more violent crimes, instead of being in Prison.

OMG, this has to be a troll Trump has let out all the violent jan 6th prisoners, AND will pardon anyone that buys enough trump crypto coin I mean MAAAAAATE BOTH the dem and gop presidents have proven that they do not have the integrity required to weld the awesome power of pardons. This is a power that needs to be removed. Which is a real shame as I like the concept of them being a solution to where the Law really is an Arse and such things have an avenue to actual justice.

All of those things are starting to have real world consequences.

Your talking about the blue tsunami last night right?

On the Alphabet front - The problem is that the current set of ideologies have real world problems that are dismissed - Biological Males in Women's sport is probably my favorite (the TERF vs Intersectional Feminist wars are great to observe from the sidelines).

Agreed

Parents are also justifiably worried that an impressionable child, probably with AUDHD might see hyper-focus on "This is why I don't feel like everyone else" and seek Medical Interventions that will leave them will long-term health complications.

Agreed

Even if we assume that the Parents are just hateful bigots, there is still a justified concern, for which the rebuttal argument is extremely weak (which is why they resort to namecalling).

Agreed

And that is the issue - they have painted themselves into a corner where they cannot retreat (because to do so would undermine their claims) - and so the only option is they keep trying to push forward, alienating more of the general public.

No men in women's sports, No men in women's bathrooms, You don't get to create a library of confusing acronyms, labels and pro nouns, then get all pouty when people cannot remember-or care enough to use them. Considering what that community is enduring now with these completely over the top vilifying attacks - you know, I do not believe they would feel the pre-mentioned social queues could not be agreed upon and they can get on with their lives.

And just before you reach for your happy place - the right wing talking points jar - consider this. The republicans of late have finally wanted to place restrictions on a group of previously 2A approved members. Yep, they are wanting to push through a law that prevents transgender people from owning firearms. Wow, there must be a reason for that huh? "According to the Gun Violence Archive (GVA), there were 5,748 mass shootings between Jan 1, 2013 and September 15, 2025 in the U.S. Of that number, there have been five confirmed transgender shooters, GVA told FactCheck.org. That means that transgender individuals were responsible for less than 0.1% of incidents over that time period."

So for the gop, don't worry about doing gun license checks on the mentally ill, I mean, clearly they view mentally ill people as causing zero percentage of gun violence. But WOAH, that 0.1 % of transgender mass shooters, save the American people!!!!!
So sorry, what were you saying to Pritch about there not being an over the top persecution of the LGBT community again? I forget.

[Kb2020dope]

They're many time more likely to be violated by a family member, family friend or a member of the clergy than a man in a dress

Hey bud,

This may be your story, and I honestly i respect your strength to come out and talk about it. However, I believe brainwashing children to think that they / them are normal is the beginning of the end of life as we know it.

Just my opinion and I do respect your strength. I hope you can heal and find peace.

[Kb2020dope]

Well, don't keep me in suspense, what is it?


That is at the end of your day, not being able to workout that is the same person? Point to where I ask anyone to celebrate? Don't worry, I know you won't as you are too scared to do facts.


But you are all good with trump barging into young girls lockers for a perve, but you cannot address that can you lightweight, why is that?


Did you proudly let brian know how many children you and your cowardly thug up buddies scared that night? You brave, brave fake Christians.



Here is the official whitehouse spokesperson for the republican party claiming the democrat main constituency are hamas supporters, violent terrorists and illegal aliens. Watching this video, do you still assert that this party would not sensationalize and vastly overstate the dangers of the LGBTQ community and package it up into an eminantly exportable package?

To be fair you actually put me to sleep with another one of your novels.

They are not the same, they have mental illness. They probably are 15 - 20 people minimum.

Mate, you need to take a step back and look at everything with common sense instead of reading the fake news gospel.

[Kickaha]

Hey bud,

This may be your story, and I honestly i respect your strength to come out and talk about it.

It's not my story, it's statistics and facts

[pritch]

They are not the same, they have mental illness.

That's funny. I was just thinking that people who believed trans people reading to kids was brain washing had a diagnosable mental illness.

[TheDemonLord]

I put it to you that the average dem "main constituent" for who the word "palastine" is just a place that seldom pops up in every day conversation. I'm sure they would not classify themselves as palistinian supporters and nor would they stash a bunch checkered scarves on their persons at the ready for a spot of spontaneous virtue signaling such as you would find in your average university/internet forum/social media groups that make up the minority of the Democrat "main constituency".

Then show me the condemnation of the radical left by the moderate Left.

Whether it is US politics, NZ Politics, UK Politics - Show me this moderate left annexing the fringe left.

The irony is I can show the reverse, I can show examples of the Radical Left lambasting the likes of Labour for not being left enough, I can show a myriad instances of moderate democrats/left-wing types getting torn-apart by the radical fringe - but never the inverse.

I was shocked when I first read that in one of your earlier posts. Upon a spot of reflection, I find it not surprising at all that Palestinians would support a group that represents the strongest resistance to an oppressor that is vastly more wealthy, armed to the teeth and has a vast over representation of influence upon other countries. HOWEVER - Now Israel has destroyed nearly all the Palestinian infrastructure As of late July/early August 2025, over
86% of Gaza's agricultural land has been damaged by the Israeli military - (the hamas must have been hiding behind the broccoli I guess.) on the IDF led quest of genocide. I feel the vote on the hamas may be different now - or not.

Is it a Genocide? Or is it that you keep fighting until the Enemy has no more will or capacity to fight? This could be solved very quickly. Hamas could put on uniforms, act like a regular military, they would get annihilated quickly - minimal collateral damage.

But they don't and they won't - because civillian deaths serve their purposes both domestically and abroad.

To be clear - I am not happy about this - but both sides believe that the other is an existential threat to them - there is only one solution at this point - a fight to the death.

Perhaps it would be more humane to let them get on with it so that the issue can be solved once and for all.

Haha, your a walking right wing talking point machine lol. Your average "main constituent" did largely acknowledge the immigrant issue as shown in poll after poll. The dem cartel wanting to provide cheap labor to their rich mates were probs quite upset that the right wing side of the same coin - who also like to provide cheap labor to their rich mates, the dems were likely quite miffed that their usual partners in crime on the right were pissing on all of their shoes.
To add to the fun, trump is unleashing a faceless, army in plain cars that kidnap people off the streets and sends in the military to quell the tiny amount of resistance being shown.

All great points - none of which is the real problem.

When reading what the average activist thinks or says - they are largely unconcerned about labour costs or other things - The telling slogan:

"No one is illegal on Stolen Land"

They believe that illegal migrants are an oppressed class, and as an oppressed class, they are justified in doing whatever they like to their oppressor.

As a flag waving serious libertarian TDL - does this look like the actions of a administration set about achieving the goal of "Small Government"? Or is this indeed a possible prelude to another one of your pet projects - 2A. With an obviously tyrannical and abjectly corrupt administration, their own supporters after being fleeced by tariff taxes, having their medical payments cancelled, etc, etc could well likely end up taking up arms and executing their 2nd amendment rights that will likely end up with dear leader swinging from a rope. I'm sure pence will be at home drinking an eggnog and tipping his cap to the irony at the news of his old boss meeting the same demise trump had prescribed to pence those years ago?

It looks like the necessary work of cleaning up years of deliberate acts by previous administrations. This is where the philosophical meets the Pragmatic - look at El Salvador - we can debate the legitimacy of the numbers, we can talk about the heavy-handed approach, we can talk about all these things - but it does seem that by actually addressing the problem, the problem got fixed. By all accounts, the Murder rate has decreased and El Salvador is a better country for it.

If someone believes that if they get into America, they can live and work and have an NGO that will protect them from deportation - why wouldn't you try and illegally enter the country?

If, however, they believe that once they do that, Government agents will kick down the door and drag you back to the country you left - would you try?

As for 2A - on some of the spicier Left-wing sources I read, this has been coming up more and more - and the ones where there are also Right-wingers present - Suffice to say the Right Wingers have been fully on-board. To be clear - when the Left tries to mock the right and go 'Maybe we should arm ourselves to defend against ICE tyranny' - the Right, in all sincerity, goes: "It is your god-given right to do so"

OMG, this has to be a troll Trump has let out all the violent jan 6th prisoners, AND will pardon anyone that buys enough trump crypto coin I mean MAAAAAATE BOTH the dem and gop presidents have proven that they do not have the integrity required to weld the awesome power of pardons. This is a power that needs to be removed. Which is a real shame as I like the concept of them being a solution to where the Law really is an Arse and such things have an avenue to actual justice.

How many people from Jan 6th had extensive wrap sheets of violent criminal offending?

Here is a recent example of what I'm talking about:

The 34-year-old suspect, Decarlos Dejuan Brown Jr., had been arrested 14 times in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, before the stabbing, with criminal charges dating back to 2007.[17][18] On April 11, 2014, he was convicted of breaking and entering. While on probation, he was arrested for armed robbery and possession of a firearm by a felon.[18] Brown was convicted of armed robbery and incarcerated in state prison from 2015 to September 2020.[19][18] Upon release, he initially lived with his family, but his mother told ABC News that he was diagnosed with schizophrenia at this point and displayed violent behavior at home.

Why was this person not in Prison or in a Psychiatric facility? And this is not an isolated instance.

Tell you what - when the majority of illegal migrants (especially those with criminal convictions) have been deported and people who repeatedly demonstrate they cannot live in polite society are behind bars - Prison or Pscyhe ward - then, we can talk about the appropriate punishment for the Jan 6th rioters.

No men in women's sports, No men in women's bathrooms, You don't get to create a library of confusing acronyms, labels and pro nouns, then get all pouty when people cannot remember-or care enough to use them. Considering what that community is enduring now with these completely over the top vilifying attacks - you know, I do not believe they would feel the pre-mentioned social queues could not be agreed upon and they can get on with their lives.

To admit that though is to admit that the Sexes and Genders are different. Unfortunately all of their house of cards rests upon that one idea.

If you accept that Men and Women are different, then you provide a potential justification for differential outcomes for Men and Women - and that is anathema to modern feminist thought.

And just before you reach for your happy place - the right wing talking points jar - consider this. The republicans of late have finally wanted to place restrictions on a group of previously 2A approved members. Yep, they are wanting to push through a law that prevents transgender people from owning firearms. Wow, there must be a reason for that huh? "According to the Gun Violence Archive (GVA), there were 5,748 mass shootings between Jan 1, 2013 and September 15, 2025 in the U.S. Of that number, there have been five confirmed transgender shooters, GVA told FactCheck.org. That means that transgender individuals were responsible for less than 0.1% of incidents over that time period."

So for the gop, don't worry about doing gun license checks on the mentally ill, I mean, clearly they view mentally ill people as causing zero percentage of gun violence. But WOAH, that 0.1 % of transgender mass shooters, save the American people!!!!!
So sorry, what were you saying to Pritch about there not being an over the top persecution of the LGBT community again? I forget.

If Transgenderism is a mental illness, then it follows suit that this condition would preclude them from firearm ownership.

I have been pondering a lot on this issue of late (for various reasons) - It seems to me that the issue of identity and gender to be so complex that it would be foolish to believe that there is any singular reason for it.

In the same breath, if there is a multitude of reasons for it, it seems equally foolish that there is only one treatment method available.

Of the Trans folks that I have personally met - some it seems clear to me that their Transgenderism was Trauma response/coping mechanism (Girls get raped, I'm not a girl, I'm a Boy), Some it seems clear to me to be a dissatisfaction at being an invisible, average, middle aged man, Some it seems clear to me to be a form of fetishism ('Lesbians' who are fully intact or those that want to avoid the stigma of simply being male), Some it seems clear to me to be a way of living their life in the manner that works best for them.

This is not an exhaustive list nor is it a deep, peer-reviewed pyschological analysis.

If I just pick on the first one - Someone who has a traumatic experience (which we can all be sympathetic towards) and has created a coping mechanism (which again, we can be sympathetic) that requires them to deny a part of reality - Does that sound like someone who should have ready access to Firearms? I think a compelling case could be made that no, they shouldn't. I am not sure I would agree with that case, but I do think that there are arguments with a strong basis that could be made.