RUC's for all road vehicles, this will be fun.

[Ser Olmy]

Yeesh everyone calm down about RUCs!

It's highly likely motorcycles will be exempt.

I ride an electric motorcycle. It is exempt from RUCs because all EVs under 1000kg are exempt from RUCs.

That will likely carry through to all vehicles. We do F-all damage to the infrastructure, it's not worth the licensing and enforcement costs.

[sugilite:Me]

Yeesh everyone calm down about RUCs!

It's highly likely motorcycles will be exempt.

I ride an electric motorcycle. It is exempt from RUCs because all EVs under 1000kg are exempt from RUCs.

That will likely carry through to all vehicles. We do F-all damage to the infrastructure, it's not worth the licensing and enforcement costs.

All good logical points, unfortunately this is government. And unfortunately it is the same governmental mob that hiked our rego acc levies sky high years back, and they gave scant consideration to the good points you make above then and it will likely be no different this time around. Those sky high rego acc levies are the reason why there is very few young people getting into bikes now, and the reason when most motorcycle riders take of their helmets all you see is grey hair these days - happy coincidence of their plans? Or most of the reason for the hikes? You be the judge. Someone high up in national hates motorcyclists and will not stop until we have been legislated off the roads.

[pete376403]

Someone high up in national hates motorcyclists and will not stop until we have been legislated off the roads.

Dunno if it is simple as that. More of an accounting thing. ACC legislation says the total cost of an injury rehabilitation HAS to be funded from the levies received in the year that the injury occurred, regardless of how long the rehab takes. Because of better safety equipment, we are surviving what would once have been a fatal. Ergo, we have tp pay more. I'm sure, deep down, ACC would prefer we just died at the scene or shortly after, much cheaper all round.

[sugilite:Me]

Dunno if it is simple as that. More of an accounting thing. ACC legislation says the total cost of an injury rehabilitation HAS to be funded from the levies received in the year that the injury occurred, regardless of how long the rehab takes. Because of better safety equipment, we are surviving what would once have been a fatal. Ergo, we have tp pay more. I'm sure, deep down, ACC would prefer we just died at the scene or shortly after, much cheaper all round.

I don't disagree with what you say at all, but the recover costs things only seems to be applied with great gusto to motorcyclists where as rugby players and other sportspeople do not get looked into at all.

[pete376403]

I don't disagree with what you say at all, but the recover costs things only seems to be applied with great gusto to motorcyclists where as rugby players and other sportspeople do not get looked into at all.

Yes that is correct and IMHO the basis for what we (me anyway) see as grossly unfair. There must be plenty of other activities that have no ACC fee whatsoever (amateur rugby, tramping, etc) but can still cause similar rehab costs. ACC cays it would the too hard (and politically damaging) to try and enforce cost recovery.

[jellywrestler]

ACC cays it would the too hard (and politically damaging) to try and enforce cost recovery.

that tells you motorcyclists are simply a week bunch who lack the fight to push back, while there are some they all lack coordination and are fragmented and inneffectual

[sugilite:Me]

that tells you motorcyclists are simply a week bunch who lack the fight to push back, while there are some they all lack coordination and are fragmented and inneffectual

I can see why they would see us that way. When they were doing the rego acc hike years ago, kiwibiker was immense in promoting the protest rally to parliament. An insider that was in the beehive that day told me it was at least up to that time, was the loudest protest they had ever heard and some mp's were genuinely shitting themselves. It ultimately did not make a bloody difference did it though - they still stiffed us. Now days KB is a shadow of it's former self thanks to social media fracturing the hell out of us. So now we are back to being a disparate loose bunch with no central point of communication such as sporting bodies would have etc. I blame suckerberg and associated ilk for building networks that initially appeared to join and expand families and interest groups. Only to then implement shitification in building manipulative algorithms to coral the people into tiny little echo chambers for targeted advertising purposes.

[BMWST?]

Yeesh everyone calm down about RUCs!

It's highly likely motorcycles will be exempt.

I ride an electric motorcycle. It is exempt from RUCs because all EVs under 1000kg are exempt from RUCs.

That will likely carry through to all vehicles. We do F-all damage to the infrastructure, it's not worth the licensing and enforcement costs.

Most,if not all of us are also car drivers. Some diesels ,most petrol ,and probably some EV's too. We will all pay those RUCs .Im my case a diesel 4wd(which I do use for 4wd ) and a Hybrid for the other half

[jellywrestler]

I can see why they would see us that way. When they were doing the rego acc hike years ago, kiwibiker was immense in promoting the protest rally to parliament. An insider that was in the beehive that day told me it was at least up to that time, was the loudest protest they had ever heard and some mp's were genuinely shitting themselves. It ultimately did not make a bloody difference did it though - they still stiffed us. Now days KB is a shadow of it's former self thanks to social media fracturing the hell out of us. So now we are back to being a disparate loose bunch with no central point of communication such as sporting bodies would have etc. I blame suckerberg and associated ilk for building networks that initially appeared to join and expand families and interest groups. Only to then implement shitification in building manipulative algorithms to coral the people into tiny little echo chambers for targeted advertising purposes.

protests and petitions don't do shit, what it needs are orgainisations like the Vintage Car Club contracting lawyers to put a proper challenge in, one that has to be answered to

[Ser Olmy]

Most,if not all of us are also car drivers. Some diesels ,most petrol ,and probably some EV's too. We will all pay those RUCs .Im my case a diesel 4wd(which I do use for 4wd ) and a Hybrid for the other half

For sure. I have an EV car. But I'll only take it if there's a need like hauling stuff or atrocious weather. Aside from being much more fun and immune to traffic congestion the e-moto is so cheap being RUC exempt and charged at home electricity rates (wish I had solar), works out around $30/1000km.

I can't believe RUCs will apply to petrol vehicles < 1000kg but not electric vehicles < 1000kg. The exemption will apply to all vehicles. It will make petrol biking a lot cheaper - tax is like 80c or thereabouts? I'm not sure, haven't pumped gas in 7 years.

[jellywrestler]

I can see why they would see us that way. When they were doing the rego acc hike years ago, kiwibiker was immense in promoting the protest rally to parliament. An insider that was in the beehive that day told me it was at least up to that time, was the loudest protest they had ever heard and some mp's were genuinely shitting themselves. It ultimately did not make a bloody difference did it though - they still stiffed us. Now days KB is a shadow of it's former self thanks to social media fracturing the hell out of us. So now we are back to being a disparate loose bunch with no central point of communication such as sporting bodies would have etc. I blame suckerberg and associated ilk for building networks that initially appeared to join and expand families and interest groups. Only to then implement shitification in building manipulative algorithms to coral the people into tiny little echo chambers for targeted advertising purposes.

best example is why are we still paying a $30 safety levy when theres miliions and millions piling up somewhere unused?????

[Bikkie]

best example is why are we still paying a $30 safety levy when theres miliions and millions piling up somewhere unused?????

Ah, it's a paying world. You pay to come in to this world, you pay in-between, and you pay to go out. ( once said by my father )

[jellywrestler]

Ah, it's a paying world. You pay to come in to this world, you pay in-between, and you pay to go out. ( once said by my father )

you sound like one of those people who take their own tie downs onto the ferrys....

[neels]

protests and petitions don't do shit, what it needs are orgainisations like the Vintage Car Club contracting lawyers to put a proper challenge in, one that has to be answered to

In reality the VCC achieved very little towards keeping (let's be honest at 10mpg) horribly polluting vehicles on the road when there was a green component to the government. But fortunately along with the FOMC and some evidence of economic benefits of recreational vehicle use found a sympathetic ear with the current government, and managed to sit down to talk and get some shit done.

Engaging the lawyers just means everyone digs into defensive positions, there needs to be a perceived upside that fits with current philosophy to make any change, and unfortunately there aren't really any compelling arguments for how motorcyclists help society or the economy.

[F5 Dave]

Well.
We are kunts.

At least. I am.