Death penalty not justified????

[candor]

These news items about what NZ has become are cumulative and influencing my musing about possible escape to a civilised society.

Its not the "big economic gap" at all - it's the DPB being more generous than what many working families get that set this generational "not loving or valuing children" all in motion.

No one is dirt poor in NZ. Lack of money does not cause feral and bestial personalities - just go to most poor country and chat to non materialistic peasants to see that.

What we have here is money for drugs and alcohol and twenty first birthdays which end in scraps at nyas house... and plain heartless thuggery from a subnormal subculture.

Dealt with these types daily in my job.
It's a subculture where roughness is valued and intellect often dulled by fetal alcohol sybdrome from the outset plus being raised with inverse values etc

Once had a rented half house with pretty foul gang members in ther half and witnessed deliberate raising of brutal children - YES DELIBERATE - they were actively praised and encourages as toddlers to be violent and antisocial.

This is the worst evil base face of those who are no longer human, and have hearts of stone.

The child is essentially as good as dead from the sound of it - a vegetable maybe after being objectified and sadistically used for entertainment and / or venting of frustrations by losers.

The selection of common assault charges is a joke. I mean - uh, it seems no actual smacking occurred - thanks Sue. Seems it was no escalation from smacking and I'm sure abusers like these now delight in thinking of other ways to disciplin now while putting a hold on the smacks - like clotheslines.

These freaks should be charged with GBH, attempted murder x three (on roof, in dryer, when she fell off clothesline) accessory to that and / or torture if that is an actual charge. Then put in the pound permanently and only bought out for regular bashings imho. Let the community at them too on occasion perhaps.

[kro]

I think they should be removed from Society but not by death...........too often as a human race we seem more concerned with retribution and forget about the victim.

The victim in this case gets what though?. Irrespective of the outcome, it's too late for said victim, and what is becoming more and more apparent these days, is that there and less "victims" left in the aftermath, as they seem to be winding up dead as a result of the crime.

Although not a huge fan of the DP, and putting the right to live or die into the hands of bureacrats, I see this escalation of crime becoming an epidemic if left unchecked. I find myself completely opposed to the wishy washy touchy feely way of handling criminals nowadays, and see the need for something hardcore to catch the attention of would be offenders, and make them damn well consider their actions.

[Grahameeboy]

The victim in this case gets what though?. Irrespective of the outcome, it's too late for said victim, and what is becoming more and more apparent these days, is that there and less "victims" left in the aftermath, as they seem to be winding up dead as a result of the crime.

Although not a huge fan of the DP, and putting the right to live or die into the hands of bureacrats, I see this escalation of crime becoming an epidemic if left unchecked. I find myself completely opposed to the wishy washy touchy feely way of handling criminals nowadays, and see the need for something hardcore to catch the attention of would be offenders, and make them damn well consider their actions.

Is it too late for this victim. They will have the memories, however, they will respond to help...........

No easy answer because I think for these crimes, the offenders do not think about the consequences.

What epidemic? These crimes have been happening through the ages just in a more modern society it has become less acceptable

[sAsLEX]

What does the DP achieve?

Hmm about a 0% recidivist rate

[Grahameeboy]

Hmm about a 0% recidivist rate

Sadly, that will never happen....

[Colapop]

I only ask one question of those who oppose a properly legislated death penalty -
What workable solution would you like to see in it's place?

Prison has no effect other than to be a holiday camp. Home detention? That's just a whole can of worms. Perhaps we should tell these offenders that it's not really their fault, it's just the way they were brought up? The death penalty may not be a deterrent to those that have committed the crimes but it raises the social consciousness and that in turn reduces the crime rate overall.

[sAsLEX]

Sadly, that will never happen....

Dead Men tell no tales. They also can't commit crime. I am 100% correct in saying that those put to death, do not commit more crime.

[Grahameeboy]

Dead Men tell no tales. They also can't commit crime. I am 100% correct in saying that those put to death, do not commit more crime.

Agreed on that one...innocent or not..........but someone else will take their place......

[Grahameeboy]

I only ask one question of those who oppose a properly legislated death penalty -
What workable solution would you like to see in it's place?

Prison has no effect other than to be a holiday camp. Home detention? That's just a whole can of worms. Perhaps we should tell these offenders that it's not really their fault, it's just the way they were brought up? The death penalty may not be a deterrent to those that have committed the crimes but it raises the social consciousness and that in turn reduces the crime rate overall.

Trouble is that social consciousness does not commit the crimes....these crimes are commited by people who do not have any social consciousness.

[Albino]

I ignored this thread last night as i hate these depressing views into the dark side of society. I've just had a gander at the NZ Herald and read the headlines which I assume this thread is the topic of. I'm normally not pro-death penalty but if ever there are circumstances for introducing it then this is it. Hell, I'd flick the switch.

[imdying]

Dead people don't reoffend.

[Colapop]

Trouble is that social consciousness does not commit the crimes....these crimes are commited by people who do not have any social consciousness.

No social consciousness does not commit the crime but it does affect the manner in which people behave. To be ostracised by your peers is a huge motivator. No it's not the best solution but there is never going to be one.

I ignored this thread last night as i hate these depressing views into the dark side of society...

Why? Because the problem will magically disappear if we all ignore it?

[Paul in NZ]

No one is sorrier than I for even suggesting this. Basically I'm a gentle soul and in real life my mantra has always been to try and improve the lot of my fellow man wherever and when ever I can often to my own disadvantage. I'm not a violent person nor do I relish killing in any form.

However - from practical experience, I see that mankind has always waged a war between 'good' and 'bad' (for want of a better term). When negotiation fails, sooner or later, there has to be a line drawn in the sand and always mankind has had to do bad things for good reasons. If we are prepared to send young men to fight for freedom, often taking the lives of other young men in the process then I cannot see why we cannot defend the rights of a child to life and prosperity. In essence, we now have multiple societies operating in this country. Eventually we will be waging war on the barbarians we are breeding and frankly I'd rather it started now while we have the advantage.

We can allow the army to risk life and limb attacking and killing armed men (theoretically) capable of defending themselves - this is morally 'acceptable'.

I cannot accept our society will allow young men to brutalise children with NO means of defense. This goes beyond sexual assaults, domestic violence and all the other mean thuggery. In previous cases baseball bats have been used on babies - ignorance was no defence as the perps tried to hide the evidence - they KNEW it was wrong.... If these people didn't know what they were doing was that wrong then they should be removed from the gene pool for pure stupidity......

I've scaped better things off my arse after a night of beer and curry than this filth. No show trials, just a quiet disposal - its not like anyone will miss them and if they do - we should have a REALLY close look at them too...

[Albino]

Why? Because the problem will magically disappear if we all ignore it?

No, because I'm aware there is a problem but don't want to know the gory details as this won't make a difference to my actions or thinking. My wording was slightly ambiguous - I am not normally pro death penalty, in other words I agree with it in exceptional circumstances.

• Living with a constant stream of bad news affects peoples outlook on life.
  
• Links have been drawn between depression and the amount of information thats available to us since the uptake of technologies like sattelite TV and broadband internet.
  
• NZ has an anger problem that needs to be dealt with. I'm happy to talk at that level rather about some arsewipe putting his daughter in the dryer.

Different way of thinking, thats all.

[imdying]

OIC what all the fuss is about now. I don't think that it's really fair to expect the judicial system to deal with people like these... judges are people too, they shouldn't have to sentence people like this, they simply don't have the power to effectively do it.

Best plan would be to get a mob of a thousand people to do as they see fit.