I'm a grave menace to society

[Jantar]

" The numbers of people admitted to hospital following a road traffic accident:2006 - 8,788"

"There were 740,120 speeding offences reported covering 38 different speed limits, excluding those reported as a breach of a specified condition on a drivers licence."

Both sets of data are from the Ministry of Transport for the financial year ended June 2006. I am not sure what proportion of speeding motorists and motorcyclists are actually stopped and issued with a ticket, but we all know how often each of us speeds and doesn't get caught.

Note that there are aproximately 100 times the number of speeding tickets issued as there are hospital discharges, and many of these hospital discharges will be passengers, not drivers/riders. Also consider that exceeding the speed limit only accounts for a very small proportion of accidents, and we can easily see the lie about speeding causing accidents, death & injury.

Accidents DO cause death and injury, but exceding the speed limit does not neccessarily cause accidents.

[MSTRS:Me]

Yes.
Then you could be an upstanding member of the police force, or a revenue gathering bastard. Nice and clear, black and white. Everyone knows what jobs you'd be doing.

Still wont stop the wingeing when someone gets a ticket mind you-then again nothing does!

The merger happened back in 1992, 15 years ago. If people don't understand that all Police can, and will, and are required to issue tickets after all this time, then what hope is there....

This is the crux of it...we do understand. It's one of the big reasons why police are not respected as they were...you are 'all revenue gathering bastards'.
And liars.
And sexual deviants.
And lazy on 'real crime'.
pt

[Patrick]

If it's 'speeding' that kills and maims how come I'm not dead or maimed? I 'speed' lots. I can't fathom it. Maybe it's because I don't 'speed' recklessly or at inapproriate times and crash. Could it actually be crashing that kills and maims?

Perhaps your time is coming? It is not only speed... but speed keeps us too busy to do other stuff...

If you're meaning the Eagle Police helicopter vs the traffic spotter plane in 1993, I thought the plane was civillian not Police...

Quite right. It was a plane "spotting" for a radio station.

This is the crux of it...we do understand. It's one of the big reasons why police are not respected as they were...you are 'all revenue gathering bastards'.
And liars.
And sexual deviants.
And lazy on 'real crime'.
pt

and donut eaters...

[swbarnett]

Perhaps your time is coming? It is not only speed... but speed keeps us too busy to do other stuff...

Only because you view that other stuff as a lower priority.

[Swoop]

If you're meaning the Eagle Police helicopter vs the traffic spotter plane in 1993, I thought the plane was civillian not Police...

Quite right. It was a plane "spotting" for a radio station.

http://www2.taic.org.nz/InvList/Air/Page19.aspx
93-020 Aerospatiale AS 355 F1 ZK-HIT and Piper PA 28-181 ZK-ENX, mid-air collision, Auckland City, 26 November 1993

Volume A10 1 Safety Recommendations of which 0 are open.
A AS 355 helicopter with a PA 28 aeroplane, both on Police patrol flights over Auckland City, collided on 26 November 1993. Safety issues discussed include the limitations of the "see and avoid" concept of collision avoidance,

[marty]

If you're meaning the Eagle Police helicopter vs the traffic spotter plane in 1993, I thought the plane was civillian not Police...

it was a private traffic spotter plane. and it wasn't anywhere near the airport. and auckland city is still an uncontrolled mandatory broadcast zone up to 1500'. and they have closed the only airport available to light aircraft encountering difficulty overhead the city.

[Sanx]

so speed may not have been the root cause in 97% of crashes, but i bet it was either mitigating (tailgating - at speed. driving tired - at speed. alcohol/drug impaired - at speed etc etc) or just really hurt a lot when they stopped quickly.

Actually, only 7% of all KSI crashes had exceedin the speed limit as a factor, causual or otherwise.

fucking bullshit. police helos operate well under the circuit height for airports, and helicopter movements at heathrow would generally not infringe on the approach/departure. you'd be a brave man in todays environment to take a pursuit into a major airport in london.....i can imagine it now - 'police chopper to control - in pursuit of black bike - looks like it's going to the airport' . Seen the security at Heathrow lately?

Yes, I have seen the security, thanks. And I could also point to three different roads on the perimeter of Heathrow airport that, depending on which runway they were using, would require a police chopper to be on the ground to be outside of the approach run. And these roads are not airport property, either; they're normal standard roads which skirt the end of the runway. And, as the Police chopper pilot, there'd be bugger all chance of waiting somewhere and nipping across when there's time - the airport's simply far too busy.

on top of everything else, it would require the turning off of the transponder for someone to illegally bust a CTA -more foolish than lying about where you flew.

I was referring to the pilot lying about what the person being chased had done, not lying about where they were going.

[Sanx]

A AS 355 helicopter with a PA 28 aeroplane, both on Police patrol flights over Auckland City, collided on 26 November 1993. Safety issues discussed include the limitations of the "see and avoid" concept of collision avoidance, the use of radio contact between aircraft and the variety of radio frequencies in use.

The aircraft were obviously speeding...

[Patrick]

http://www2.taic.org.nz/InvList/Air/Page19.aspx
93-020 Aerospatiale AS 355 F1 ZK-HIT and Piper PA 28-181 ZK-ENX, mid-air collision, Auckland City, 26 November 1993

Volume A10 1 Safety Recommendations of which 0 are open.
A AS 355 helicopter with a PA 28 aeroplane, both on Police patrol flights over Auckland City, collided on 26 November 1993. Safety issues discussed include the limitations of the "see and avoid" concept of collision avoidance,

The plane is not, and never was, a Police patrol flight... so wherever this came from, it is wrong in that regard.

[Patrick]

Only because you view that other stuff as a lower priority.

Trolling are we???

I view it as a low priority??? Since when???

There aren't too many threads on KB about tickets being issued for overtaking on blind bends, driving through stop signs, whatever, because YOU think tickets aren't being issued for those???

Just wrong, plain and simple. 35% of all tickets issued (excluding speed and seatbelts) are for road safety in this district (IE: Overtaking on blind bends, stop signs, red lights, whatever...) It may differ in other areas, but I believe that is a national quota figure.

People don't tend to overtake on blind bends, into oncoming traffic, crash stop signs, whatever, if there is a patrol car that sticks out like dogs balls following them... While a patrol car is in the area, the driving is usually impeccable.

As for the shite I see when I am on my bike or in my private car, well........ sheesh......

[swbarnett]

Trolling are we???
I view it as a low priority??? Since when???

Perhaps I misunderstood you. You Said:

but speed keeps us too busy to do other stuff...

I took this to mean that you were too busy giving out speeding tickets to deal with the other stuff that you see i.e. if you saw someone speeding and someone else dangerously overtaking at the same time you'd go after the speeding. My apologies if I misread what you said.

[swbarnett]

People don't tend to overtake on blind bends, into oncoming traffic, crash stop signs, whatever, if there is a patrol car that sticks out like dogs balls following them... While a patrol car is in the area, the driving is usually impeccable.

So the only way that these people get caught is if they actually have an accident.

This is, in effect, what I'm proposing with regards to speeding. The drivers are essentially doing what they like unmonitored until they actually do something that leads directly to an accident. Then you can throw the book at them.

Why is this not applied to speeding? Simply because speeding is easy to spot, not because anyone actually thinks speeding has a greater chance of leading to an accident than, say, overtaking on a blind corner.

[Max Preload]

Perhaps your time is coming? It is not only speed... but speed keeps us too busy to do other stuff...

Well, I wish it'd hurry up - the 19 years of motorcycling while waiting has been intense! I even tried helping it along by not owning a car until I was 27. What more could I do?

[Mekk]

If it's 'speeding' that kills and maims how come I'm not dead or maimed? I 'speed' lots. I can't fathom it. Maybe it's because I don't 'speed' recklessly or at inapproriate times and crash. Could it actually be crashing that kills and maims?

Feigning ignorance hardly helps your point. Do you understand cause and effect?

How come I can leave my computer on during an electrical storm and have never had the PSU fried? Those nay-sayers must be all shit.

[Max Preload]

Feigning ignorance hardly helps your point. Do you understand cause and effect?

How come I can leave my computer on during an electrical storm and have never had the PSU fried? Those nay-sayers must be all shit.

I understand cause and effect perfectly. I'd have thought you'd realise that simply by noticing I'm not the one claiming that simply driving at a speed over and above a posted arbitrary speed limit automatically leads to death or injury.