Don't like this, much, either!

[Katman]

There is no doubt about that, he is indeed quite correct. Being proactive towards your own safety is what keeps you alive. That post however isn't applicable to the OP's mate. imho. Feel free to flame on if you think I'm fucked in the head... you know I would if the roles were reversed.

Fuck you cockhead. I started by saying I was sorry to hear about his mate and then went on to make a general statement that I think too many motorcyclists refuse to see any fault in their own style of riding. Whether the rider is at fault or not in an accident, there is more often than not something that could have been done to avoid, or at least lessen the impact of, a particular situation.

[Katman]

And btw, I was a motorcycle courier in London for four years. I know all about accidents and reflecting upon what I could have done to avoid them.

[Maha]

I think too many motorcyclists refuse to see any fault in their own style of riding.

You are absolutely right Katman, i agree with that sentence, not commenting on Ed's mate but, i see it all to often when im in the car. And on the bike for that matter...some wank arse fucker on a bike over took me while i was overtaking on very next stretch of road about 2 ks north of where Ed's mate was...and he was on a blind right hander, yeah two sides to every story, unless ya were there you dont know what really happened (not you Kat, in general i mean)

[Katman]

You are absolutely right Katman, i agree with that sentence, not commenting on Ed's mate but, i see it all to often when im in the car. And on the bike for that matter...some wank arse fucker on a bike over took me while i was overtaking on very next stretch of road about 2 ks north of where Ed's mate was...and he was on a blind right hander, yeah two sides to every story, unless ya were there you dont know what really happened (not you Kat, in general i mean)

Ah well, at least I give the fuckheads that think the red rep system actually means jack shit something else to do with their hands.

[Pancakes]

the guy was riding a custom cruiser (probably a very dark coloured one which most of them are), i doubt very much if he was wearing any hi-viz (i have never seen a custom/cruiser rider [other than on big organized events and then its only the leaders and back markers] wearing hi-viz), we all know that in the daytime you cant allways tell how far a motorbike is away from you coz of the single headlight or even twin headlights (twin headlights on a bike might look like a car from a great distance giving the impression that he has time to pass?)!

so given all this and knowing that cagers are somewhat myopic he probably could have helped himself a little. i have noticed that while on the dark blue bandit i hardly get seen but on the fireblade ive not really had any problems, but the fireblade is bright YELLOW so you cant really miss it

also, why didnt your mate on the VL1500 see the cage coming on the wrong side of the road and pull right over to the left?



as you were.......

One of the first things I was taught when driving is that y=it's not enough to not see anything, YOU MUST SEE NOTHING!

I got hit last Wednesday by a guy changing lanes without checking my lane at all. I had a bright as jacket on, 130w high beam on, had noticed cars slowing so moved left in my lane and rolled off the throttle. The cars infront of the one that hit me all jammed on their brakes (I had slowed from 60 ish to at the most 50 in a 100 zone). The guy that hit me didn't brake with the other cars he carried on at the same 30ish k's and swerved at nearly 90 degrees into my lane blocking the whole lane (he went on to the shoulder while straightening up) I used the longest, straightest path to brake and had the back off the deck an inch of so, so couldn't have stopped faster. I think I did well to get rid of most of my speed in the less than 2 car lenghts available. What was I doing wrong to earn my hurt? Flame on.... karma will get you. Do you haters think people in greay cars deserve to get hit too? What about black people out at night? Not very visable either.

NO! What a crap culture of PC'ness. What did the victims do to attract the citizens with childhood issues (friggin criminals if they cause harm if you ask me). People should be looking before they pull out. Not just for cars. For bikes, bicycles, lost children on the road. Not just for the best radio station.

Talked to the guy today and he says he put on his claim form that he thought it wasn't his fault as he didn't see me! So if you ride around not looking your not to blame? And left the scene even though I clearly said I was hurt and the police were coming.

[Edbear]

Talked to the guy today and he says he put on his claim form that he thought it wasn't his fault as he didn't see me! So if you ride around not looking your not to blame? And left the scene even though I clearly said I was hurt and the police were coming.

It's amazing how people get the idea we're living in a "no-fault" society...

What did the Police say about his leaving the scene of an injury accident?

[westie]

I dont agree with those high vis vests. Pancakes your recent incident just brings it to mind.
I do agree that people should wear them if it makes them feel more visible on the road.
But I have heard of many people getting knocked off their bikes whilst wearing them. Not from their own actions but from a car not "seeing" them(worst excuse ever!!!)
I have been taught you will go to where you look(while riding) and I think its the same for cars. When you look over your right shoulder you will turn right naturally. So if the driver sees the vest they could accidentally drive into you?
Or just not see you at all, and all this time you have been cruising in a rad vest for nothing?

I have had a bad weekend where four cars tried to take my lane while I was next to their drivers door looking straight at them!
Its a fun game to see when they are going to realise they are stupid!
One lady almost went right back through her lane and off the motorway.
Some people aren't allowed to have kids, some shouldn't be allowed cars. Its just too much responsability for them.

Pancakes I hope you get back on the road soon bro

One of the first things I was taught when driving is that y=it's not enough to not see anything, YOU MUST SEE NOTHING!

I got hit last Wednesday by a guy changing lanes without checking my lane at all. I had a bright as jacket on, 130w high beam on, had noticed cars slowing so moved left in my lane and rolled off the throttle. The cars infront of the one that hit me all jammed on their brakes (I had slowed from 60 ish to at the most 50 in a 100 zone). The guy that hit me didn't brake with the other cars he carried on at the same 30ish k's and swerved at nearly 90 degrees into my lane blocking the whole lane (he went on to the shoulder while straightening up) I used the longest, straightest path to brake and had the back off the deck an inch of so, so couldn't have stopped faster. I think I did well to get rid of most of my speed in the less than 2 car lenghts available.

Talked to the guy today and he says he put on his claim form that he thought it wasn't his fault as he didn't see me! So if you ride around not looking your not to blame? And left the scene even though I clearly said I was hurt and the police were coming.

[Pancakes]

Constable left the paperwork to a regular cop and went for a visit, when I talked to him today he (the guy that hit me) was surprised to get a visit from the cops. I asked him to contibute 50% to replacement helmet, boots and gloves. Also had jacket and pants damaged but not too bad and he told me to get stuffed. I mentioned that I could come around to his address (Richard Harding. 17 Roberts Rd, Glenfield, Auckland) to talk about it and that put the shits up him I knew where he lived! He said he hadn't made a claim cos he lost my address (it, in his words "dissolved"). Asshole.

[Pancakes]

I dont agree with those high vis vests. Pancakes your recent incident just brings it to mind.
I do agree that people should wear them if it makes them feel more visible on the road.
But I have heard of many people getting knocked off their bikes whilst wearing them. Not from their own actions but from a car not "seeing" them(worst excuse ever!!!)I have been taught you will go to where you look(while riding) and I think its the same for cars. When you look over your right shoulder you will turn right naturally. So if the driver sees the vest they could accidentally drive into you?
Or just not see you at all, and all this time you have been cruising in a rad vest for nothing?

I have had a bad weekend where four cars tried to take my lane while I was next to their drivers door looking straight at them!
Its a fun game to see when they are going to realise they are stupid!
One lady almost went right back through her lane and off the motorway.
Some people aren't allowed to have kids, some shouldn't be allowed cars. Its just too much responsability for them.

Pancakes I hope you get back on the road soon bro

I kinda felt from cycling that I should wear it if I have it and it stops my shitty cordura's leaking too but have wondered if it makes me blend into the glare more sometimes, I guess if I could predict the light level behind me when I was gonna get hit I would have enough psychic powers to have got away a!

I'll be on the road soon as (I can close my hand properly and remember things for longer than I can right now!) Can't keep the brother down!

[Grahameeboy]

BEHIND ANY SLOW MOVING VEHICLE THERE IS A POTENTIAL OVERTAKER

This is a lesser known defensive driving thingy......we can anticiptate stuff on the roads.

[Grahameeboy]

It's amazing how people get the idea we're living in a "no-fault" society...

What did the Police say about his leaving the scene of an injury accident?

Is it...this Country has been brought up this way....ACC being a classic example...no compulsory vehicle insurance............."she'll be right has a lot to answer".......

[Katman]

What is it with you fuckarses that makes you think I give a fuck about your red reps?

[kiwifruit]

What is it with you fuckarses that makes you think I give a fuck about your red reps?

fookin neow
you ok man?

[Katman]

Don't mind me, just replying to the anonymous fuckheads that think I give a shit about their pissy little 'reputation' comments.

[draxot]

In my experiences as mainly being a cyclist, which has a different stream of caution; i put it mostly down to americans and fast and the furious. :P

Having 4 storys, one involving being hit by a drifting bogan, 2 others from
4x4's.

Just been through asia and italy, although their attitudes appear more die hard, they arent as dim witted and caught up in their cages, so to speak.
Each 4x4 incident could have been bad, one ended up with me bailing and the driver just raising his eyebrows as if i was cutting his path...

I cant see any fair rebuttals to my point except 'dont be rude and generalise'
Generally i just wanted to say my 2cents of moaning as ive started of into my L plates just recently