The new Pro Twins class

**sAsLEX** · 10th August 2007, 08:24

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

Ten out of ten to this man, you can indeed spend the cash but you still have to make it all work. A badly set up bike with all the bling will be slower than a well set up bike with rather less bling. A clever, experienced rider on an average bike will beat an average rider on a bike with all the bling etc etc.
But, a fast rider on a fast bike with fully optimised bling will streak away from the field. Etc etc

The old 80:20 rule. A rider makes 80% of the equation.

**Robert Taylor** · 10th August 2007, 08:45

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

The old 80:20 rule. A rider makes 80% of the equation.

NOT QUITE, look at how Craig Shirriffs had to ride the wheels off his GSXR600 during the last road race season. Same if not a little more ability than Sam Smith, same suspension, same tyres, slower motor. If anything the Suzuki handled and stopped a little better than Sams Yam.

In terms of that little comparison I would say the 80 / 20 rule is rather ''generous''

Conversely, you get road riders who have oem suspension and are faster over a given stretch of road than a guy with the same bike and all the bling suspenders. Then there is the great ego trip ''I dont need flash suspension''

The actual truth being that the guy with the flash suspension is a slower and more timid rider, but imagine how faster the fast guy would be with flash suspension optimised for him.

So much is about ego and one upmanship, and far less about analysing and fairly assessing the cold hard facts.

**sAsLEX** · 10th August 2007, 08:50

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

NOT QUITE, look at how Craig Shirriffs had to ride the wheels off his GSXR600 during the last road race season. Same if not a little more ability than Sam Smith, same suspension, same tyres, slower motor. If anything the Suzuki handled and stopped a little better than Sams Yam.

In terms of that little comparison I would say the 80 / 20 rule is rather ''generous''

Rossi in the first year at Yamaha, along with his crew chief and his abik=lity to spell out technical issues succinctly to the engineers he took an under performing bike to victory.

This year the Duke has the speed, and Rossi has still managed to get past it a few times, though the tires seem to be the main issue this year......

**scracha** · 10th August 2007, 09:03

Originally Posted by Possum41

Let me know when you get your Hyosung scracha

Viffer 750 and fizzy 400 are up for sale in another thread to help fund my Korean bike search.

**Possum41** · 10th August 2007, 09:11

Originally Posted by scracha

Viffer 750 and fizzy 400 are up for sale in another thread to help fund my Korean bike search.

seems my hard work has payed off, i only needed to change the life of one person to feel fulfilled.
Life ambition #7 - check

GO THE HYOSUNG

**cowpoos** · 10th August 2007, 10:33

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

This year the Duke has the speed, and Rossi has still managed to get past it a few times, though the tires seem to be the main issue this year......

this is where I think people are not seeing clearly... WHY is the Duke faster???
I don't think it is now...first few race's there was a clear HP advantage...not now...there is one Duke at the pointy end of the championship,just one!!...and how many other bikes????
What it is...is Casey and his team are working the best this year!! most consistant...with probally the best,most acurate comunication!
the Duke ain't some freak fast bike...otherwise there would be 4 of them at the front of the field and championship!

**Deano** · 10th August 2007, 11:35

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

So much is about ego and one upmanship, and far less about analysing and fairly assessing the cold hard facts.

You said a mouthful there Robert.

I am astounded sometimes by the amount of smack talk that goes on in the motorcycling world, and in particular the sports bikes (not just racing). All good in jest, but some of these fools actually believe their own press.

There is much more BS than I found in the kickboxing scene, then again, if you went up to a fighter and smack talked to them, you just might get smacked yourself.

**Drew** · 10th August 2007, 13:58

Mate, there is a huge psychological game in play with any sport, and part of it, (for me anyway), is talking yourself up. I did take it a bit far at the hill climb, but it worked.

If you dont think you're gonna win, you probably wont. Some people I'm sure, can just think it to themselves with a quiet smirk, but others need to say it out loud, as a way of commiting themselves to thier goal.

How I see it anyway

**Sketchy_Racer** · 10th August 2007, 14:29

I with ya drew

So you better watch out when i come back to racing and clean up the F2 class on my lil 125!!

a top 10 placing was no effort, and im still 3 seconds off my goal lap time, so thats should put me in contention for the top 3..

As long as those fat lazy 600 can learn to get out off the fucking way mid corner. god, i could walk faster than thier mid corner speed!

**Deano** · 10th August 2007, 15:28

Originally Posted by Drew

Mate, there is a huge psychological game in play with any sport, and part of it, (for me anyway), is talking yourself up.

You think I don't know that ?

But it's pointless when the people you are trying to psych out think you're full of shit. Works in their favour then I reckon. And do you reckon the smack that is talked up on here has any effect ? Not on me it doesn't. It just makes me laugh and wonder whether the person really believes it...sort of like the shit KD comes out with !!

I dunno - I guess in kickboxing it paid to be humble, cause if you talked it up, then got a hiding, you looked like a cock.

p.s. this doesn't apply to you anyway cause you can back it up !

**Drew** · 10th August 2007, 15:33

Originally Posted by Deano

You think I don't know that ?

But it's pointless when the people you are trying to psych out think you're full of shit. Works in their favour then I reckon. And do you reckon the smack that is talked up on here has any effect ? Not on me it doesn't. It just makes me laugh and wonder whether the person really believes it...sort of like the shit KD comes out with !!

I dunno - I guess in kickboxing it paid to be humble, cause if you talked it up, then got a hiding, you looked like a cock.

Na bro, the fear of talkin it up and not delivering the goods, is what makes ya try harder. Doesn't always work tho, wait till ya see Poos eatin humble pie when I wipe the floor with him.

**Deano** · 10th August 2007, 15:46

Originally Posted by Drew

Na bro, the fear of talkin it up and not delivering the goods, is what makes ya try harder. Doesn't always work tho, wait till ya see Poos eatin humble pie when I wipe the floor with him.

Two sides to the coin. As you say it doesn't always work.

It's a broad spectrum and I guess my point was aimed at those that, no matter how hard they try, they ain't gonna deliver the goods....not in the near future anyway.

**Darkman** · 10th August 2007, 16:08

Originally Posted by Deano

There is much more BS than I found in the kickboxing scene, then again, if you went up to a fighter and smack talked to them, you just might get smacked yourself.

True, and nobody in M.A cares about a barking dog..I always found it was the quiet ones you had to look out for..those are normally the ones that bite!!! But on KB its more a pisstake than anything else...all good fun.