New biofuel petrol

[speedpro]

Methanol and probably Ethanol, need to run a lot richer mixture. At only 10% it isn't much of a problem, the engine will only end up a tiny bit leaner with no modification. I would like to know the results of some dyno runs with and without adjustments for both fuels.

[scumdog]

My feeling is the world is somewhat screwed without a large reduction in population - just waiting to see how painful that is

Richard

You said a mouthful there.
The way things are going the world is going to be overpopulated by a dumber population on a meagre income with Lordy-knows what food/water quality.

[Pancakes]

Methanol and probably Ethanol, need to run a lot richer mixture. At only 10% it isn't much of a problem, the engine will only end up a tiny bit leaner with no modification. I would like to know the results of some dyno runs with and without adjustments for both fuels.

Thats about it there a! Just chuck a new fuel in and don't change anything else. If the engine was at optimum tune for the previous fuel sure thing it won't like the new stuff wether it's "better" or not. Like airfilters, people saying an aftermarket cheapie gives more power, maybe on a bike that was rich to start with but wouldn't it be better to tune the bike and have good clean air in too?

[Sanx]

You said a mouthful there.
The way things are going the world is going to be overpopulated by a dumber population on a meagre income with Lordy-knows what food/water quality.

Don't worry - the way the AIDS epidemic in Africa and South America is going, there'll be plenty of room. When you have people like Thabo Mbeki (president of South Africa) claiming there's no such thing as AIDS, and if there was such a thing as AIDS, it isn't spread by sexual intercourse, you do have to wonder about the long-term survival of the population.

[avgas]

Thats about it there a! Just chuck a new fuel in and don't change anything else. If the engine was at optimum tune for the previous fuel sure thing it won't like the new stuff wether it's "better" or not. Like airfilters, people saying an aftermarket cheapie gives more power, maybe on a bike that was rich to start with but wouldn't it be better to tune the bike and have good clean air in too?

Yeh but in saying that some engines of today are built like brick shithouses. I had the great fortune of having a 91 corona with 290,000k's on the clock. I didnt service it for a period of 6 years, i clocked up about 40,000ks on it in that period and it never missed a beat. (it was my piss poor attempt to see how good the engines were). Thrashed the crap out of that car and the chassis failed before the engine did (so i sold it to someone for $600 and its still going in his possession).
Likewise i would put money down that there are CB/GSX/XR/KDX owners out there with the same results.
I'm a big fan of regular services - but in saying that engines of today still go strong when they are 'out-of-tune'.
An example i have is a RG150 i had. This was my mini-monster bike - dyno'd and my pride of joy.
Out of tune, on the dyno she would wack out about 20kW
tuned on the dyno, about 22-24kW
At the end of the day it was the cheap rubbish malaysian oil pump that failed, it failed to show any wear when any services were done. It just happened.
Right now i know the FZ needs a service, but i also know it launches like a motherfucker if i opened up. I'd say a 20-30hp drop max.

[Pancakes]

Oi I fully agree AVgas! Hard to kill most of the Toyota or Nissan product line in std tune especially a! I've had some shitters that were just stupidly reliable. I meant more in terms of judging a fuel by it's power output. It would need to be tested in an engine that was setup for that fuel for the test to be fair, extreme example would be diesel in a petrol car, doesn't work but both are great fuels. Look at engines like the LS1, rich as straight off the showroom floor, cost a few HP but cheaper in warranties tho.

[jazbug5]

So are are we sure that biofuels are all that green?

[mbazza]

My concern is that producing biofuels uses more energy to make them than we presently use with starndard fuels. Surely the major point is to use less energy, not more of it! Just a thought. (I know about sustainability and all that. ) Cheers.

[scumdog]

My concern is that producing biofuels uses more energy to make them than we presently use with starndard fuels. Surely the major point is to use less energy, not more of it! Just a thought. (I know about sustainability and all that. ) Cheers.

Troo dat.
The fossil fuel is already there waiting to be refined.
The 'clean' fuel has to be grown and harvested before being processed using machines that burn fuel....

[Coldrider]

Here's a paper I on what big brother think of biofuels, & how us "Hoons" (official speak) will react.

http://www.eeca.govt.nz/eeca-library...h-study-05.pdf

[delusionz]

Yeah, I happened to be somewhere in Kingsland when I hit my reserve, So I stop at Gull expecting 95 but instead was faced with 91 and E10. I sat there puzzled as to what to do knowing my fuel lines are made of rubber and alcohol eats rubber so I ended up adding a couple splashes of 91 just to make it to a Caltex to fill up 95.


So how does the E10 run? Is it safe to put in my Ninja 250?