Proposed new wet tyre rule

[Rashika]

As I said in my posting, number 12! This tyre rule issue, is really only for the 150 class!

sorry Shaun but at that particular meeting they specifically said the new WET tyre rule would apply to ALL classes and that is was a NEW ruling and was only being nutted out at present... we asked several times to confirm and were told yes that the rule would apply to all classes including F1,2,3,4,5 and sidecars. The SS tyre ruling was a different issue and under discussion at that meeting. We were there as F4 riders, not as part of the SS group, and really just to see how it went for them. Most of us where surprised at MNZ's new wet tyre rule, and maybe MNZ have had a change of thought since the meeting.

I think there should be an age limit put on this class, 15 Years old MAX!

This would make it a definate learners class, NO OLDER WANTABEES, ( Again, NO attack on anyone ) ...

..The 150 class is a learners class! designed orriganally for KIDS! so lets try and agree to make it as safe and cost effective as possible, to help bring on our future hero's in our sport

actually I think this is a bloody good idea. At present (down here anyway) there is a HUGE difference in the skill levels of the SS class, which can have over 40 people at times, some are really too advanced to still be racing in it, altho not sure what ages they are tho.

[Shaun]

sorry Shaun but at that particular meeting they specifically said the new WET tyre rule would apply to ALL classes and that is was a NEW ruling and was only being nutted out at present... we asked several times to confirm and were told yes that the rule would apply to all classes including F1,2,3,4,5 and sidecars. The SS tyre ruling was a different issue and under discussion at that meeting. We were there as F4 riders, not as part of the SS group, and really just to see how it went for them. Most of us where surprised at MNZ's new wet tyre rule, and maybe MNZ have had a change of thought since the meeting.

You are correct in what say here BUT, if you read through the whole thread, you will see where others agree with what I say, about this only being an issue with the 150 class, it was a bad choice of words from the get go, that tagged all classes with this new rule idea.

Honestly, this tyre rule is only about the 150 class! And good to read that you agree about my age limit idea.

[Rashika]

You are correct in what say here BUT, if you read through the whole thread, you will see where others agree with what I say, about this only being an issue with the 150 class, it was a bad choice of words from the get go, that tagged all classes with this new rule idea.

Honestly, this tyre rule is only about the 150 class! And good to read that you agree about my age limit idea.

I'm really hoping they have changed their mind about the wet tyre rule for all classes, and that it dies a natural death (altho at that meeting they specifically stated it was for all classes and was a separate issue to the SS tyre issue).
IMHO streetstock should be just that 'street stock' and run road tyres, although the main issue seems to be finding a treaded road tyre that will suit track conditions.
My bucket runs slicks, but I've never raced in the wet... in the ferkn cold 0 degrees yes, but not pissing down rain so i cant say how it would or wouldn't go, I would probably be very tentative at first anyway. Having said that I have seen both Kick and dangerous racing on their slicks at Teretonga in the rain, and doing well... I dunno, leave to you blokes with the experience to decide

[Sketchy_Racer]

All in all, My Humble opinon is DON'T FIX WHAT AINT BROKEN

I've give up on it. Hope it all goes well

[Rashika]

And good to read that you agree about my age limit idea.

I think this has a lot of merit really...
maybe one of the reasons they want/ or feel they need to use slicks is cos some are riding/racing beyond the scope of the SS class which is really is, as you say, a beginners/learners class.

[dangerous]

Honestly, this tyre rule is only about the 150 class!

Well I hope so Shaun... I heard Hepburn say and repeat, that it was proposed for all classes... Im hoping it was just to shut PJ up (didnt work) and that what you are hearing is and has changed for the beter.

[Kickaha]

As I said in my posting, number 12! This tyre rule issue, is really only for the 150 class!

As Dangerous and Rashika have already pointed out, this is not what was said at the meeting

I have read a couple of comments on this thread, where people have said that there is NO benifit to wet tyres over cut slicks or treaded tyres, TOTAL RUBBISH FOLKS! Sorry, NO direct attack, just my oppinion after 23 years of racing myself.

Yes but racing what? there's a big difference in the power to weight of a 600-1000cc bike and a SS150 or a Bucket and how they'll behave on slicks in the wet

J hepburn, and many others involved in this subject have so much true full on racing history behind them, that we all need to read and listen to what they have got to say, not required to agree with them, but please, give them some room to move, so they can continue to help our sport grow.

Quite true and I've watched John, yourself and others like them at race tracks all over the country but I don't see that necessarily make our experience and opinions any less valid and going by my own and some others on here experience Johns blanket statement that slicks don't work in the rain isn't accurate because on my buckets ( and a few other members) at least they work very well, maybe it's a power to weight thing

What MNZ is trying to do here ( In my oppinion) is to help this class grow and SURVIVE! if the safety side of it is ignored ( Because we are Kiwi's and have to give it a go mate!) MNZ will always have there knockers of what they do, they are a company that finds itself between a rock and a hard place all the time! And this tyre rule discussion going on at the moment is just another case of trying to do the best thing,

I think another issue (which should secondary to safety) is also the cost benefit of running used slicks, if a lot of cost is added with running treaded tyres and they aren't lasting as long then that may be detrimental to the classes survival

I think there should be an age limit put on this class, 15 Years old MAX!

While I agree in principle, what about if a 16-17 yr old turns up never having raced before and wants to give racing a try? it would still be the ideal class for him to start in, perhaps new riders only with no experience and a maximun amount of races or seasons they can do

The 150 class is a learners class! designed orriganally for KIDS! so lets try and agree to make it as safe and cost effective as possible, to help bring on our future hero's in our sport

I think we're all pretty much agreed on that one

[ajturbo]

I think there should be an age limit put on this class, 15 Years old MAX!

This would make it a definate learners class, NO OLDER WANTABEES, ( Again, NO attack on anyone ) and would also make the rule making for it, a lot easier, FACT, an under 15 year old with bugger all race experience, know's a lot less about safety and machine set up than the people trying to make it safer. It would also possibly show to parents, that this class is all about building a safer foundation to get there children into motor cycle racing.

The 150 class is a learners class! designed orriganally for KIDS! so lets try and agree to make it as safe and cost effective as possible, to help bring on our future hero's in our sport

hey shaun...
i am one of those "OLDER WANTABEES"....( and NO i don't take ANY offence by that satement!!)

i am a "little" older than 15....
i enjoy this class of racing.....it is at my level and i am happy there... the speeds are ( at the moment) fast enough, i am not interested in the points and infact, old billy has put his money where his mouth is and put up prizes for the first 3(think it's first 3 ?) place getters, that are UNDER 17...on a RG150 (excluding the 250's!!)

now, if a young one can set his/her sights on beating me... i should be their FIRST step...and if in some way this will help them, great!

[oyster]

Sorry to say this, but after about 4 years of dealing with mNZ and more recently the last 8 months over this tyre matter, I confirm MY OPINION that MNZ are not motivated to condider safety as a priority. In this recent instance there are all the signs of the priority being safety of the butt covering type, distorted further by personality conflicts, egos and "I know best cos I'm a champion" arrogance.
If MNZ were really interested in safety they'd study what's happened down here in the last 4 years, consult with the HUGELY experienced peoiple who have led and developed it and then make decisions. Ask the people the recent meeting in Christchurch about how much listening was done by MNZ.
Some very real statistics and hard questions were asked, and we were given no answers. The minutes of the meeting really confirmed it (my belief) by excluding the first 90% of the meeting, only noting the final submission by MNZ. The whole behaviuor of MNZ is disgusting, I would have walked away long ago but I remain for the welfare and safety of the young riders I enjoy being with.
As Sketchy says "It isn't broke so why fix it" Yes, we still haven't been told what's broken by MNZ, and why they're obsessed with "fixing' it.

[Kickaha]

Ask the people the recent meeting in Christchurch about how much listening was done by MNZ.

The impression I got was they weren't interested and had already made their minds up before the meeting started

[Brian d marge]

I confirm MY OPINION that MNZ are not motivated to condider safety as a priority. In this recent instance there are all the signs of the priority being safety of the butt covering type, distorted further by personality conflicts, egos and "I know best cos I'm a champion" arrogance.
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I could see that happening , Nz Road racing ... Well this is a touchy subject , On the one hand ,,I dont have to deal with it , and the racing here is just fine , VERy professional if you want and a nice day out if you need

But what upsets me more than anything I suppose is the fact, that there are many future Rossis , Stoners ( and real Stoners ,,me being one ) out there who through the set up / lack of set up cannot get recognized on the world stage without resorting to flying 1/2 way round the world

From a factories point of view I cant see any reason to invest ( racing at the end of the day is a business ,,all parties must make a profit )

( I can see things happening in off road , but I cant see the same in Road racing ,, ( Here in Japan we have a clear path till it starts getting serious ..money ,,, then 2 things happen people club together or are a dealer entry or,,, have support from parent with deep pockets ...finally Businesses who use the racing as development of new product


If there is a prevailing attitude , by people who may very well have the best interest at heart , but havent been exposed to the " Mind set" encountered overseas, then they might be holding the sport back

Paeroa is ( IMHO ) a Jewel in the crown ,,it fronts well on TV , the racing is close and looks good ,, I think its equal to anything the rest of the world chucks out ....

Unfortunately Ruapuna on a Grey day ,,is well ...ummmm yes,,,,,,,,well

Stephen

People on this list who have been here awhile ,,will know my stance on safety . ...Ill leave it at that .

[dangerous]

Righto stand at attention you bunch a moaning wana be racers you too harris

Iv just been yaking to J Hepburn MNZ and I can asure you guys and girls that this tyre ruleing is ONLY now in reguards to SS150.

As JH said at the meeting what he read out was only a 'draft' and that he needed to get legal advice on that draft.
That has now been done and by the end of this week... there well be a new ruleing reguarding 150SS only and the tyre situation

So bugger it all time to crawl back under our rocks till we find something else to bitch about, Oyster... got any ideas

[Shaun]

Sorry to say this, but after about 4 years of dealing with mNZ and more recently the last 8 months over this tyre matter, I confirm MY OPINION that MNZ are not motivated to condider safety as a priority. In this recent instance there are all the signs of the priority being safety of the butt covering type, distorted further by personality conflicts, egos and "I know best cos I'm a champion" arrogance.
If MNZ were really interested in safety they'd study what's happened down here in the last 4 years, consult with the HUGELY experienced peoiple who have led and developed it and then make decisions. Ask the people the recent meeting in Christchurch about how much listening was done by MNZ.
Some very real statistics and hard questions were asked, and we were given no answers. The minutes of the meeting really confirmed it (my belief) by excluding the first 90% of the meeting, only noting the final submission by MNZ. The whole behaviuor of MNZ is disgusting, I would have walked away long ago but I remain for the welfare and safety of the young riders I enjoy being with.
As Sketchy says "It isn't broke so why fix it" Yes, we still haven't been told what's broken by MNZ, and why they're obsessed with "fixing' it.

So, you have got on here and managed to rubish MNZ again, well done! What did you actually achieve by making such a post? You are a buisness man, as well as a major part of the youth racing programme, how does making such vicious attacks at our sport council help this cause? You of all people should know, that we are only as good as our last job.

Perhaps, a part of the reason, that some people have trouble listening to others, is that some of the others are to single minded in there projects, that they cannot/ or will not, see others opinions on it?

The Internet is a great tool, if used sensibly! Valid, educated idea's and opinions can be voiced and discussed.

You of all people, should know, that getting onto the internet and bad mouthing MNZ is a total waste of time! They do not play here, there office is in Huntly. Or is this your way of trying to gather more support for the programme you are so involved in, and spend so much time on?

Oyster, you know I respect what you have done in our sport, but I think you should sit down and take a breath before attacking to many more people mate, your name will soon be known as a pain to deal with, and that will take you, and your enthusiasim and commitment away from the sport,which would be a big loss, through your own choice, or by others not wanting to deal with you any more.

You have so much to offer Oyster,and do need other people and organisations there to support you, but helping to teach our future riders to bad mouth there sport council, or clubs, is not a good thing to do! Have you had every rider in this class write a letter as yet, that has been recorded and forwarded onto MNZ giving MNZ the riders point of view, am not sure if that will do any good, but it is the correct/ professional way of dealing with this.

Have a good day, and please take my post as it was intended, for the good of our sport.

[Rashika]

Righto stand at attention you bunch a moaning wana be racers you too harris

Iv just been yaking to J Hepburn MNZ and I can asure you guys and girls that this tyre ruleing is ONLY now in reguards to SS150.

As JH said at the meeting what he read out was only a 'draft' and that he needed to get legal advice on that draft.
That has now been done and by the end of this week... there well be a new ruleing reguarding 150SS only and the tyre situation

So bugger it all time to crawl back under our rocks till we find something else to bitch about, Oyster... got any ideas

woohoo Dangerous for president... oh yeah already there

[oyster]

Shaun, I'm sorry I've upset you so much. But I'm upset too, upset because of all the needless effort and and time going in the wrong direction, where it could've been spent on good stuff like training manuals, coaching, training more stewards and suchlike that really progress our sport. And believe me, I am a great supporter of MNZ. Guys like Paul Stewart and Johnny Hepburn
are hard working great people and we'd be right stuffed without them. I have huge respect for them. But imagine how frustrated I felt when MNZ insisted on a meeting where about 40 of the Streestock parents and kids met the MNZ board (for their first time) in conditions where they looked really incompetent, downright silly in fact.
Not my wish at all, and I did everything I could to avert this PR disaster. Believe me.
I hope positive things do come out of my moan, that MNZ realise there are minimum standards. That ignoring well presented and factual concerns, and even sometimes throwing insults back is just not on. A responsive and professional MNZ WILL be the new MNZ and I hope it comes soon.
Again, sorry Shaun. I certainly won't say any more, and definitely won't tackle you on what you've said here.