Charged with dangerous driving. What's going to happen?

[ManDownUnder]

Hi Mark,

I think that we have only met once at a KB event (The unveiling of the cross for Bruce and Daryl) but after reading this thread (along with 39 years continuous riding) I would suggest that you take the advice that has been offered here and "bite the bullet" when in court.

I'm sure that you started to chase the cage with the best of intentions, but your best bet would have been to get the rego and ring it throgh to the cops.

I lost my license when aged 16 for collecting a guy on a pushy, so I know what it's like to walk/catch public transport. The time will pass, but the big thing here is to learn from this experience.

Next time, take a deep breath and count to 10 before chasing the dumb cager.

All the best.

+1............. hate to say it man but this is your own doing Mark. There's only so much help others can offer... now it's time to stand and be counted.

Don't lose it in court, and let the judge know if there are any medical conditions that predispose you to this behaviour. I'm not convinced it will help, but it will at least explain why you did what you did...

[Disco Dan]

+1............. hate to say it man but this is your own doing Mark. There's only so much help others can offer... now it's time to stand and be counted.

Don't lose it in court, and let the judge know if there are any medical conditions that predispose you to this behaviour. I'm not convinced it will help, but it will at least explain why you did what you did...

That may not be such a good idea.... yes the judge may let him off lighter.. but in my experience he could be required to be assessed and given 6-12 months admission into a community mental health facility.. to 'sort him out'. Odessy house for example requires new clients to be strip searched upon entry and is a completly drug and alcohol free zone... not even cigarettes or coffee is allowed. But there are other organisations that would better cater for him and are not strict in this area (especially as drugs are not involved).

Some may think this would be a good thing.. but I see this on a daily basis at my job. In Marks case, this could be a very very scary thing and have long term, far reaching effects on his mental health.

Mark- if you want some more advice in this area you know how to contact me.

[LilSel]

That may not be such a good idea.... yes the judge may let him off lighter.. but in my experience he could be required to be assessed and given 6-12 months admission into a community mental health facility.. to 'sort him out'. Odessy house for example requires new clients to be strip searched upon entry and is a completly drug and alcohol free zone... not even cigarettes or coffee is allowed. But there are other organisations that would better cater for him and are not strict in this area (especially as drugs are not involved).

Some may think this would be a good thing.. but I see this on a daily basis at my job. In Marks case, this could be a very very scary thing and have long term, far reaching effects on his mental health.

Mark- if you want some more advice in this area you know how to contact me.

I think what MDU ment by that was ADHD??

[Tank]

you will see me riding whichever bike i like...

Give this man a Tui.

You will be riding whichever bike you like - after you:
** Pay your fines for dangerous driving
** Pay the outstanding money you owe on the bike you just had confiscated / sold on behalf
** Start getting some income
** Save a deposit (not going to be easy with all the $$$ for bus fares)

Then you have the little problem of being able to afford insurance on anything that doesnt have two pedals.

The upshot is something like dangerous driving impacts you for a long, long time after the initial fine is paid.

Its a hard lesson, and obviously your not getting much sympathy on here - but neither should you expect it. Just be happy that your alive !!!

Sit back, think about this logically about the problem. Listen to the good advise on this thread - ignore the bad (being anyone who disagrees with me). Don't go for the insanity approach, don't go for the smart ass approach. Being humble and showing the judge that you have well and truly learnt your lesson is your best chance of getting a more lenient outcome - but it still aint going to be cheap.

I'd also pray that the judge isnt cut off by a biker on the way to court in the morning. Else you may be made an example of (and thats gonna gurt )

[skidMark]

Btw Mark, are you on full license?
Is he on full?

learners motorcycle, car restricted.

[Tank]

learners motorcycle, car restricted.

Jesus wept!

[Ixion]

Whoa. Enough already.

I reckon some people around here need to be ashamed of themselves.

A young guy (who's undoubtedly a young idiot, but no more so than any of us at that age, and a biker withal) who's fallen foul of the Law, comes here to ask for some sympathy and advice.

How did that turn into a feeding frenzy of gloating, schadenfreude and ill will.

So far you'd have him consigned to gaol, the looney bin and raped (and are those who are so in favour of homosexual rape equally in favour of the heterosexual variety, I wonder) .What utter nonsense. And shameful nonsense. I know not whether to deem those putting forward this nonsense to be fools, because they believe what they say; or knaves because they do not.

Mark's an idiot, but I don't think he's a liar. And there's enough that's doubtful about the police behaviour (impounding the bike for a start : no legislative authority for that on a dangerous driving charge) for me to give him the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

And even if it is entirely his own folly that has brought him to this, he is still a biker and a brother. If you can't help, with support or SENSIBLE advice, then shut up. What ever became of the good old rule about not kicking a man when he's down ?

I reckon a lot of folk seem to have forgotten what the Biker Code says. Or never knew it I've attached a copy for those who need a refresher. He who runes may rede.

[barty5]

this has been a most interesting read i was young once and did silly thing like this once or twice (passed 11 and a b train in one go just because i could) then sat back and thought about how f---kin dumb it was and sold the bike only had it for 9 months traded back in on a trail bike figured it to be safer you can be as silly as you want within reason and theres a lot less chance your going to hurt any but your self and you wont loose your licence either.
this guy needs to sit back and think about how long he wants to be around.
May be some anger management classes might be a good call if you get wound up that quickly.

[EJK]

Hey Mark, personally I don't know you but I think I've seen you on AWMNR a month ago.
I remember you doing stoppies, high engine idle, burnout etc etc till Kitty stole your keys.

When she took your keys, did you see her face? Well I did. she was furious as hell, while you were just smiling as if meant a joke from the back... come on man...


Whah... reading 10 pages of this thread took me about an hour! and it really tells me that you are on a.... bad week.
Many people here are saying that you are an A-hole, but I can't say the same... cause I barely know you. That doesn't mean I too think that you are an A-hole lol.

All I can tell you is, you are now having a downfall of your motorcycling life. That doesn't mean it's over. Hell... even the famous Henry Ford was bankrupt 5 times before his Model T rolled out from the assembly line.

Who knows man? From this, you might learn ALOT (I mean ALOT) and become a Mentor of the Mentor lol who knows?

But what I like about you is, I think you really love motorcycling.
Remember when I asked you "What rpm were you shifting gears?"
Then you replied with a huge grin on your face like this ->

Well, back to the subject: being busted from what you love, it truely broke your heart, didn't it? lol yeah If I were you, I would have commited suicide jks (it's not a suggestion bro! lol)

chin up, life ain't over yet. With this experience, you surely will learn alot of things, and one day who knows? You might ride for 30-40 years which coulda been 3 to 4 years.

One day I will ride with you. We can go to Coromandel or even tour around the Aotearoa New Zealand with your Mulitstrada and my ST1050 Sprint

Who knows?
I say again: It's not over...

[ynot slow]

For what it's worth years ago I was caught speeding,got breath tested and was under,cop was being smart prior to me blowing in the bag,wof expired (xmas day) so he thought not a great xmas for me,this was in november.I kept my mouth shut and got a speeding ticket only.
Brother bought my car as I was getting hitched,he had a few beers one saturday after soccer,took a mate home and did a handbreak stop in middle of deserted road,except a cop driving along a road saw the car lights making circle motion as they do turned into the street and pulled him over,brother blew negative as well,cops reply was no worries will get you for careless use.
Both our parents views were you stupid idiots,cops only doing the job,and for fucks sake wake up,took me another 23yrs before it was dic for me,not proud of it but I co-operated with the cops(1028mcg),they dropped my car at home instead of impounding it and dropped me home too,in court listening to several other guys with traffic charges was scary,one guy with less mcg than me got fined $200 and extra 3 months over my fine because the cops said he was a prick to deal with,mind you when the judge asked the officer why I was driving and was told I was too pissed to walk,he smiled almost laughed,then decided to take license away for 6 mths and gave me a good fine.
Yes learnt my lesson at about 38yrs old at time,moral is learn from mistakes,accept the help given to you.

[Str8 Jacket]

Mark, if there is something that you are not telling us here but know that you are guilty for doing it then I reckon you may be better off in the long run by just being honest. Either way you need to bite the bullet, go to court and represent yourself as best you can. You've been an idiot. Most of us have and you seem like you're alot like me..... Until something major happens you wont learn. You say that this has been stressful, imagine when you fuck up MAJORLY next time. Life's gonna be alot worse than it is now, if you survive at all.

I really hope that things work out for you in the end mate.....

[Zapf]

Whoa. Enough already.

I reckon some people around here need to be ashamed of themselves.

A young guy (who's undoubtedly a young idiot, but no more so than any of us at that age, and a biker withal) who's fallen foul of the Law, comes here to ask for some sympathy and advice.

How did that turn into a feeding frenzy of gloating, schadenfreude and ill will.

WELL SAID !!!

[jonbuoy]

i think, brett, most here have gone past the offer good advice and hold off the pisstaking stage. seems almost every week mark fucks up somewhere, and then comes and cries foul. in this case, it would appear he fucked up trying to do the right thing, which sucks, but there must be a reason why ALL witnesses wish him ill?

mom... how young is young? ive been riding since i was about 20... started learning at 18 [buggered off overseas and continued the education from the pillion seat] im now 22, and have travelled as far north as paeroa, and as far south as invercargill. some 20,000k if not more.
in those k's, ive been hit once, which was not my fault [she ran a stop sign] and have gone off the road once, which was a combo of my fault, and the guy in front of me's fault for overtaking on a corner.
i learned from both. the first: approach intersections with caution, and the second: dont ride with that guy!
somehow ive managed to go all that distance without a single ticket or raised brow from a cop. it aint hard.

You don't have the same levels of testosterone pumping through your system.. That sucks Mark, I got stitched up when I was a teen driver over an accident and an old fart witness. The judge won't look kindly on you, put your best threads on and look innocent.

[Str8 Jacket]

You don't have the same levels of testosterone pumping through your system..

I was bad enough without the testosterone!

[Katman]

he is still a biker and a brother.

You have got to be fucking joking. Do you really believe that no matter how big a twat someone is, if they ride a bike we have to treat them like a brother? Like someone said earlier - jesus fucking wept!