Chef stabs assailant and now faces prison.

[Patrick]

They are armed with a flick knife, iron bars, a hammer and spanners.

I sense a Tui moment here.... this is the first time this has been mentioned.

, burying a 25cm chef's knife into somebody's chest cannot be rationalised as "reasonable force", hence why said chef has been convicted.

But if they were armed as claimed above, while assaulting him, that should make a difference?

Personly I think the young man's solicitor should be struck off for imcompatence .

Couldn't agree more.

It seems that if you are two police officers, armed with batons, handcuffs, pepper spray, firearms and with backup on the way, that you are protected by the law when using lethal force against a nut breaking windows with a golf club.

Yeah.... he was shot for breaking windows......... Riiiiiiiggggghhhht...

Head still in the sand, is it???

[Patrick]

Weird that.

I've often wondered about that Waitara case. How come a reknowned marksman couldn't pop a knee cap, or at least a thigh? I guess we'll never know.

As for defending yourself; I think if you fear for your life then it's 'him or me' deal. I'd rather be tried by twelve than carried by six.

Got it in one, as highlighted. Popping a cap in a knee isn't going to stop him from caving in your head with a golf club.

[Lias]

You missed this one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defense_%28theory%29

The problem is that unless you implement the castle theory to its fullest self defence law is just watered down. Under the diluted version you can only apply castle theory to your house, and even then onyl with limitations sometimes.

The law SHOULD be applied in the way that some states implement it, which is anywhere you are legally occupying (home, work, footpath, bus or whatever). If someone attempts or threatens unlawful force against you whilst you are legally "minding your own business" you can use deadly force to protect yourself.

But it will never happen under Comrade Clark, or John Key. Only when we get a party in power that truly believes in the rights of law abiding citizens over criminals will we ever see a law like this.

Viva La Revolucion!

[Mr Merde]

.... Only when we get a party in power that truly believes in the rights of law abiding citizens over criminals will we ever see a law like this.

Viva La Revolucion!

As has happened in Italy in the past few years where they have accepted the self defence plea as a valid reason for lethal response.

Havent seen a dramatic rise in violent deaths reported in that countryu.

[davereid]

I sense a Tui moment here.... this is the first time this has been mentioned.

Yes they were armed, but did not use the weapons ..

Quote from this mornings DOM

"When you use a knife like this, you are literally millimetres away from causing a death," Justice Panckhurst said.

"Had you struck a vital organ or an artery, death could well have resulted."

But he accepted the provocation, and said he was willing to accept an element of "excessive self-defence".

Mr Hall told the court that group of about six drunk gang members – "teenage thugs looking for trouble" – had been armed although no weapons were used when they taunted and assaulted Hill.

They had hammers, spanners, a flick knife, and metal bars.

Justice Panckhurst criticised the gang.


I don't have any problem with police using force to protect themselves or others, and I don't want this to spin into an anti police thread.

I just think that there appear to be two standards applied here.

[jrandom]

How come a reknowned marksman couldn't pop a knee cap, or at least a thigh? I guess we'll never know.

You are trolling, right?

If not, google 'Tueller drill' before responding further.

[Patrick]

Yes they were armed, but did not use the weapons ..

Quote from this mornings DOM.................

I don't have any problem with police using force to protect themselves or others, and I don't want this to spin into an anti police thread.

I just think that there appear to be two standards applied here.

First I heard of them being armed... can't see why he was charged either. I wouldn't have, but it wouldn't have been my call, it was a C.I.B. issue. Any word on whether these oxygen thieving sacks were charged for possession of their offensive weapons? They were not tools of their trade, unemployed at a guess, and they only had them for one reason..... unlike Mr Chef.

Nice troll, WALLACE was not shot for breaking windows, he was shot for trying to stove in the head of the cop.

Can now see why you think two standards though. Free Mr Chef, I say.....

[Goblin]

First I heard of them being armed... can't see why he was charged either. I wouldn't have, but it wouldn't have been my call, it was a C.I.B. issue. Any word on whether these oxygen thieving sacks were charged for possession of their offensive weapons? They were not tools of their trade, unemployed at a guess, and they only had them for one reason..... unlike Mr Chef.

Can now see why you think two standards though. Free Mr Chef, I say.....

Whats the bet these oxygen thieves are still roaming the streets, armed with whatever they can get their filthy thieving hands on, causing more grief to law abiding working people....while laughing at Mr Chef's sentence.

In the words of Cali Miro...."It's an injustice!"

[peasea]

Got it in one, as highlighted. Popping a cap in a knee isn't going to stop him from caving in your head with a golf club.

But after a slug in the knee to the perp could the shooter not run faster?

[peasea]

You are trolling, right?

If not, google 'Tueller drill' before responding further.

Trolling, me?
Ok, I had a quick read, I get the point. (Glad it wasn't a hollow one.)

[Winter]

Whatever way you take the "It was / wasn't an appropriate response" (I think it was), I am furious about the way the 15 year old scum is labeled the victim.

Furious.

If anyone knows what I / we can do about it, please let me know.

[Finn]

Words fail me. People get upset with me when I label NZ as a fucken joke. This is why.

Ladies and gentlemen (and Skidmark), we've just got to get rid of this Government. I don't care who gets in next election, even Tamaki's fucked up brothers, just as long as they apply common fucken sense. But seriously, if you were Prime Minister tomorrow, where would you fucken start? The place is a shithole.

[scumdog]

Weird that.

I've often wondered about that Waitara case. How come a reknowned marksman couldn't pop a knee cap, or at least a thigh? I guess we'll never know.

As for defending yourself; I think if you fear for your life then it's 'him or me' deal. I'd rather be tried by twelve than carried by six.

You retard trollin' 'effing dreamer--WHAT 'reknowned marksman' was at Waitara?????

Do you REALLY think a pistol shooter can 'pop a knee cap' of a moving leg in darkness?????

It's as easy as you doing a 180 degree stoppie on your H-D

Sheesh, some people.

Have a nice day!!

[peasea]

Got it in one, as highlighted. Popping a cap in a knee isn't going to stop him from caving in your head with a golf club.

Probably right actually, you could still swing a club on one leg. Tiger does it all the time.

Seriously? I wouldn't want someone coming at me with a golf club and they'd be more of a threat at six feet than face to face; a wee way out and they have swinging room.

FORE!

[peasea]

You retard trollin' 'effing dreamer--WHAT 'reknowned marksman' was at Waitara?????

Do you REALLY think a pistol shooter can 'pop a knee cap' of a moving leg in darkness?????

It's as easy as you doing a 180 degree stoppie on your H-D

Sheesh, some people.

Have a nice day!!

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