Police shoot and kill another person

[idleidolidyll]

go back and read the posts; i'm not willing to repeat myself for lazy people

[idleidolidyll]

I've read your posts; I'm not lazy. You haven't actually suggested any way the cop could have safely disarmed the drugged-up hammer-wielding nutjob without a firearm or Taser.

yes i have and obviously you have NOT read all my posts

[jrandom]

fellow rednecks are often in agreement

And here you descend into inanity.

Do you realise you've lost the argument?

I bet it burns.

[avgas]

i personally think that some guy walking down the street smashing peoples cars up with a hammer being killed isnt a major loss to society.
Plenty of other ways to vent it on his property.

[idleidolidyll]

We're going round in circles here. You're reacting emotionally to the fact that someone did something stupid and got killed; others are pointing out that there wasn't any reasonable alternative available at the time.

Yes, I do get emotional when life is taken so cheaply. However, I'm also applying human compassion and logic rather than sucking down the official police line as you seem to be doing

Are you just trolling for shits and giggles, or are you really as incapable of rational and emotionally-detached thought as your comments in this thread would indicate?

you think it's rational to kill people for speeding and property damage?
fucked if i want your world view

[Finn]

yes i have and obviously you have NOT read all my posts

Mate, you need to calm down. You have so much anger towards the police, I wouldn't want you to get shot next time you get pulled over.

There, I have got some of that empathy stuff.

[pritch]

What is the difference on a technicality, did they intend to shoot themselves.

If you stop worrying about "technicalities" the discourse could very soon degenerate into a lot of wildly inaccurate nonsense.

Ummm wait a minute...

[jrandom]

you think it's rational to kill people for speeding and property damage?
fucked if i want your world view

Mm, you appear impervious to statements made addressing your position, so all I'll do here is point out that your posted "solution" of letting the guy run amok until someone could find... what, a tranquiliser dart? A giant net to throw over him? A duvet to smother him in? would work real well, right up until drugged-up-dude killed a random innocent passerby.

[idleidolidyll]

And here you descend into inanity.

Do you realise you've lost the argument?

I bet it burns.

nope, i haven't lost the argument at all and the swathes of positive ratings attest to that along with the encouraging pm's

i do concede that i will never turn a redneck into a caring human being though

[idleidolidyll]

Mate, you need to calm down. You have so much anger towards the police, I wouldn't want you to get shot next time you get pulled over.

There, I have got some of that empathy stuff.

it's just the internet Finn but yes, the cops don't deserve my respect (i'm not really angry; more like disgusted)

[idleidolidyll]

He's just a bent individual who doesn't want to comprehend, you're wasting precious cyber space by answering this morons posts.

actually I DO want to comprehend.

I want to comprehend why cops think life is so cheap that killing people for property damage is OK

[Patrick]

That's a myth, you and I know it, and hopefully most don't know it.

There are a few, not many... certainly not a routinely armed masses as suggested... Gotta have some sort of instant armed response for an armed robbery, Aramoana, whatever...

Ok Patrick this is not me having a go at you just me playing devils advocate
Sooooo why is it at any thing to do with maori protest like "Motua gardens" or that recent protest up north where maori radicals were blocking a public road the cops seem to "sit there and do absolutely nothing"? I personaly would like to see them go in guns blazing in these circumstances.

Stirrer!! Protesting is a right, a freedom of speech type thing. As for the road thing up north, saw a protester smack a worker in the head, on film, clearly an assault... but nothing happened??

Nope but YOU have been quoting the police propaganda as if THAT were gospel regardless of what a number of witnesses say in contrast.

I'M saying the cop had choices but he chose lethal force before giving non lethal options a chance

You spout what you want to believe.

"A number of witnesses in contrast" as you put it also say something completely different to those without any possible agenda. It is called independance. The tattoed ex con didn't carry much credibility here....

You seriously think the cop didn't try to talk to the dude? The reaction then from the hammerman was out of the cops hands. He upped the ante by raising the hammer and rushing at him, letting him know what his clear intentions were.

Back off? Where to? Run off? Nah, if he is faster, cop is dead... but that is what you prefer, by the sounds of things...

[jrandom]

nope, i haven't lost the argument at all and the swathes of positive ratings attest to that along with the encouraging pm's

Still far too many NWA fans out there, obviously.

Mmm, we should have a giant jelly-wrestling competition between the peaceniks and the rednecks.

Patrick and I can bring Glocks...

[I Smell Bacon]

cops think life is so cheap that killing people for property damage is OK

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt in so much as I think you are just trying to push peoples buttons with these comments. However if that's really what you believe then you are completely on the wrong side of having a sound mind.

[idleidolidyll]

Mm, you appear impervious to statements made addressing your position, so all I'll do here is point out that your posted "solution" of letting the guy run amok until someone could find... what, a tranquiliser dart? A giant net to throw over him? A duvet to smother him in? would work real well, right up until drugged-up-dude killed a random innocent passerby.

oh please! save your delusional ravings for someone who gives a damn

where was the threat to others until the cop forced the issue?

it was about property damage and the COP escalated it to a dead human being.

ever heard of negotiation? ever heard of patience? did you listen to witness accounts? did you see the footage?

i am almost hoping someone you love is killed by cop impatience and ignorance