Police shoot and kill another person

[Patrick]

No patrick, I've been countering your bullshit police propaganda.

Aint mine, just what I've seen... as have the others posting on here

your extreme viewpoint generates the opposite from me so that those watching are not exposed to just one side of the story.

Again, aint mine... just eyewitness accounts, but hey, they must ALL be wrong, ay???...

I fervently believe the police value police reputation above the lives of Kiwis and that the closing of ranks we see in these cases damages both the police and NZ society.

The bosses might value Police reputation... look at the porngate saga... Life is valued, but the cop valued his life more than that of the hammer man.

your attempts to use fallacious debate to paint me as a criminal or peacenik or whatever childish nonsense you offer at any one time only makes me more determined to expose you for what you are: a police sycophant sucking down and offering up the closed rank cop line without a thought for humanity or society.

Just a play on what you had said, about swallowing the bosses offerings... You started the namecalling, but hey, heres some news for ya... heard it all before.

Peacenik? WTF is that?

Closed rank? It is all out there for all to see. Your line about the guy getting shot for breaking windows is just nonsense so I pointed that out... You are the one who went into name calling and obvious anti police sentiments, hence the cellmate routine.... If the name fits...

and of course there you go again doing the same by suggesting i believe the cop was a sadistic power tripper.

You have made that point clear, often and regularly... he was shot for breaking windows, remember?

save your fallacious bullshit for simple minded fools, i'm not that easily defused.

my viewpoint is indeed an alternate viewpoint and that it is diametrically opposite to yours is exactly the point. You are arguing from a position of bias; you're a cop and you are toing the party line and expect us too to suck it down without question.

I am arguing from a position of common sense. You fell for the neighbours story, hook line and sinker. You feel that the cop shot a man for breaking a few windows and was doing nothing, just standing there with his hands at his sides when he was shot... If that was the case, the cop is doomed to a murder charge. My point is simple... the multitude of witnesses say the complete opposite of what that neighbour claims. Or are these witnesses in on the party line too? You are not making sense.

tough shit, i'm here to point out that cop spin is often thinly disguised croneyism

Croneyism? Conspiracy Theory? I liked that movie...

[Mom]

Croneyism? Conspiracy Theory? I liked that movie...

"Peacenik? WTF is that?

Closed rank? It is all out there for all to see. Your line about the guy getting shot for breaking windows is just nonsense so I pointed that out... You are the one who went into name calling and obvious anti police sentiments, hence the cellmate routine.... If the name fits..."

Hey Patrick I was thinking the same so I looked it up

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/peacenik

Last thing he could be called, and you did not call him it, those are his words not yours.

Debate with this gentleman is pointless as he will twist and turn and wriggle to ensure that his opinions change ever so slightly each time, you will never win, take my advice mate and dont bother.


PS did you ever sort out that tenancy issue finally?

[peasea]

Twelve shots and all missed. Fuck I wouldna giv 'im a water pistol.


Skyryder

Well, I wet myself when I heard the final count! That wasn't a quick-moving dog either, looked a bit chubby to me.

Faaarkin funny.

Twelve shots.

My sides hurt.

Karrrm on, that's terrible!

[scumdog]

Well, I wet myself when I heard the final count! That wasn't a quick-moving dog either, looked a bit chubby to me.

Faaarkin funny.

Twelve shots.

My sides hurt.

Karrrm on, that's terrible!

Hell no - why drop the dog with the first shot when it means you won't have anything to shoot at anymore?


(BTW: how many of you out there have shot a running dog with a pistol under those circumstances? - probably only those that can out-ride Rossi I'd say at a guess!)

[Skyryder]

The Government just announced the result of the Tazor trial. Failed. The police are going to be armed instead with twelve shot pooper scoopers.


Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Hell no - why drop the dog with the first shot when it means you won't have anything to shoot at anymore?


(BTW: how many of you out there have shot a running dog with a pistol under those circumstances? - probably only those that can out-ride Rossi I'd say at a guess!)

Actually dogs can be hard to hit when moving. Years back when I worked on a farm the area had a dog worrying sheep. Cut a long story short we came across the dog on night while spotighting there were three of us and the dog tool of. Blam blam blam. I still swear to this day that it was my shot that bought the dog down but since I was only a 17 year old farm hand the two cockies were never going to give me the credit. Mine was the third blam.

One simple thing with fire arms. If you don't have a bead, don't shoot.

Skyryder

[Finn]

Well don't worry, a few more weeks target practice with dumbass's like the other day and next time, the dog won't be so lucky.

I reckon we should pay the police a commission for every shooting incident. The business case would stack up so it is easily justified. I suggest the following point system...

1 Point - Limb shot
2 Points - Torso (but alive)
5 Points - Head shot
10 Points - Multiple heads shots
15 Points - In the back of the head

[Mr Merde]

Look the dog didnt have either a hammer or a golf club and it wasnt a member of the public.

How do you expect the marksmen to actually hit something they havent had much practice at shooting with no point of reference with which to aim at.

Take it easy they are buildnig up to actually hitting the correct target at the correct time.

They start out with easy targets like their own legs and progress to things they actually shold shoot.

Supprised they didnt bring out the AOS to parade around in their paramilitary kit, looking hard and menacing while having an opportunity to finally use their wonderful Bushmasters.

[sAsLEX]

Well don't worry, a few more weeks target practice with dumbass's like the other day and next time, the dog won't be so lucky.

I reckon we should pay the police a commission for every shooting incident. The business case would stack up so it is easily justified. I suggest the following point system...

1 Point - Limb shot
2 Points - Torso (but alive)
5 Points - Head shot
10 Points - Multiple heads shots
15 Points - In the back of the head

50 Points - Two kills with one round.

[Coldrider]

(BTW: how many of you out there have shot a running dog with a pistol under those circumstances? - probably only those that can out-ride Rossi I'd say at a guess!)

Pig hunters.......of the trotter variety of course

[Mr Merde]

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(BTW: how many of you out there have shot a running dog with a pistol under those circumstances? - probably only those that can out-ride Rossi I'd say at a guess!)

I would probably have to reply with the following;

Anyone who has been properly trained in the use of a pistol and has enough experience with such so as to be able to hit a standard target at 25 meters with some semblence of accuracy and consistantcy.

Any one else should not be out with such a weapon as they are as much a danger to themselves as they are to others.


Sorry SD you know I am an avid pistol shooter.


Also to answer the comment about pig hunters. I would like to point out that it is illegal to hunt with a pistol in NZ so how could they have the experience (legally).

[sAsLEX]

Also to answer the comment about pig hunters. I would like to point out that it is illegal to hunt with a pistol in NZ so how could they have the experience (legally).

Any idea why?

[Mr Merde]

Any idea why?

I dont know the exact reason but one of the provisions of getting a pistol licence is that it can only be used on a certified range and that \you must attend 12 competitive days a year.

Pistols were allowed into NZ as sporting equipment only.

I also get the feeling that a lot of people dont really know what a well trained person and a good pistol are capable of.

J D Jones an American gunsmith and barrel maker has taken Elephant and Rhino with a handgun. Bear have been taken, as have Lion etc.

Given that the person using the pistol is trained and knows how to use it, there is no game in NZ that cant be taken with one. All you need is skill both in pistol use and hunting skills. Same sort of distances as bow hunting would be perfedt.

Merde.

[Coldrider]

Also to answer the comment about pig hunters. I would like to point out that it is illegal to hunt with a pistol in NZ so how could they have the experience (legally).

I was going to clarify but the one-liner would be lost.

[Mr Merde]

I was going to clarify but the one-liner would be lost.

My appologies for jumping in. Firearms safety is something I am very concerned about. In that shooting is my sport and I tend to get very defensive about obeying the rules. Even those I do not actually believe in I do obey.

Merde