Robert Taylor and idleidolidyll's political debating thread

[mstriumph]

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bang heads at will and please, DO expect angry responses

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[SPman]

had saddam faced an international court instead of the guaranteed and yank supported (wonder why?) mock trial and execution, we may have had the dirt on cheney, rumsfield, bush and others

Ther's still more than enough dirt on Cheney Rumsfeld, et al,. Just that the piss weak Democrats in Congress don't want to use it to impeach the arseholes - they are to busy feathering their own nests and posturing for power, than to do what more and more of the common citizens want!

I'm surprised that Chavez is still there! Do most people know that he even offered free oil to the poor of New York, as part of his "help the poor of America", program?

Burma is another point - the only thing keeping the military dictatorship solvent, is the money from the Enron owned gas pipeline across Burma to Thailand. Who was a long time member of the Enron board - Condaleeza Rice - so there's no way they will pull the plug on the generals money - in a way - another Yank sponsored tyranny.

Since WW2, the yanks have been responsible for the change of 50 governments, worldwide - most democratically elected, then overthrown, because their policies didn't fit in with US big business ideas.
Land of the free - yeah, sure! - since WW2, the military/industrial combine, has taken over the US government policy regime, with the result, that war and insurrection is now a very common occurence.
As for the Yanks pulling out of Iraq - after the Brits pulled out of Basra, rather than the bloodbath, that was predicted, it has become aboutthe safest area now in Iraq - very little violence compared to the other areas.

Sorry to sound anti yank, but, the government of the US doesn't have a lot to be proud about in their foreign policy, over the last 45 years!
Probably comes about because they havent been invaded recently, or been bombed to the bedrock, like so many other countries have - it tends to give you a different perspective on things!

[idleidolidyll]

Dig him up and put him in power so the rednecks can get a taste of real Kiwi style political abuse.

failing that, elect the National Party for a term......................if you can claw them out of the Good Ol' Party's bed

[idleidolidyll]

bugger!
i wanted to rec SPMans lates excellent post but I've run out!

dammit!

well said SP

[kelleyb]

and that's ANOTHER concern underpinning this debate methinks - the thought that the voting mechanism is not secure from tampering and that lawmakers come into power that the people did NOT elect ..............

The whole stolen elections idea is nothing more than a conspiracy theory thought up by people with too much time on their hand who are unhappy that their candidate did not win.

[idleidolidyll]

no it isn't; Liebold were crooked and Bush was NOT elected

[jrandom]

The whole stolen elections idea is nothing more than a conspiracy theory thought up by people with too much time on their hand who are unhappy that their candidate did not win.

I'm actually supposed to be working today, so I won't start link-propagating and expounding upon the subject in detail, but are you fully aware of the electronic-voting records anomalies, the discrimination against blacks in southern states via the laws preventing felons from voting, and various other highly odd bits of well-verified data?

I'm all for putting it down to incompetence rather than malice, but still. One wonders.

[kelleyb]

Sorry, but you are wrong.

[scumdog]

Dig him up and put him in power so the rednecks can get a taste of real Kiwi style political abuse.

And then I won't need a special licence for my 'special' guns.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Blah fucking blah. What about commenting on my bloody photos??

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...1&postcount=86

[idleidolidyll]

I gots ta go for a while; that awesome Cagiva 125 is calling to me and the sun is a shining.

never fear though, i shall return (yes, that IS a threat)

[kelleyb]

I'm actually supposed to be working today, so I won't start link-propagating and expounding upon the subject in detail, but are you fully aware of the electronic-voting records anomalies, the discrimination against blacks in southern states via the laws preventing felons from voting, and various other highly odd bits of well-verified data?

I'm all for putting it down to incompetence rather than malice, but still. One wonders.

Explain the law that discriminates against blacks in the south with regards to voting.

[jrandom]

Sorry, but you are wrong.

Would you like to try convincing me that I'm wrong?

Your oh-so-American style of emphatic refutation without any explanation or supporting argument whatsoever will not wash here.

[idleidolidyll]

And then I won't need a special licence for my 'special' guns.

and the Red Brigade can march again

oH how happy you'd be

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Dig him up and put him in power so the rednecks can get a taste of real Kiwi style political abuse.

failing that, elect the National Party for a term......................if you can claw them out of the Good Ol' Party's bed

Sorry bud, Muldoon is perhaps a better example of left wing politics, not the right (price freezes, stiff laws concerning imports etc). A capitalist he certainly wasn't.