Is resignation betrayal?

**Joni** · 5th October 2007, 16:30

Originally Posted by avgas

Oh an Joni, if your new job doesnt mean about you getting a new bike.........You have made the wrong move

Stew

Im not allowed to ride to work... does that count? I asked and they scoffed at me...

**Mom** · 5th October 2007, 16:34

Originally Posted by jrandom

Resign immediately and move on.

Originally Posted by vifferman

Your first responsibility is to yourself - do what's best for you.
You don't owe this "damn nice lady" anything - you've given them your time and skills, and they've paid you for that.

Originally Posted by zrxer

Why is resigning showing disloyalty

Originally Posted by MSTRS

the only loyalty you 'owe' is to yourself.

Originally Posted by LilSel

Do whats best for you...

Originally Posted by Joni

If they start this hard and inflexible, how will it end?

I cant add too much to the sage adivce above, apart from saying I read your post and heard how miserable you are where you are the moment, and you want a change. You dont seem to me to be a "retiring wall flower" kind of gal, not afraid to put your case! Take the job (as long as the contract stacks up of course)

Resign your current position and look forward!

To pinch a line........Just Do It!

**pzkpfw** · 5th October 2007, 16:45

Originally Posted by Joni

Im not allowed to ride to work... does that count? I asked and they scoffed at me...

How do they get to tell you that?

**MotoGirl** · 5th October 2007, 17:21

You might feel bad for resigning, but you'll feel a lot worse if you stay there and they continue to bully you. When you do resign, tell them why you're doing it and give them the chance to stop all of the other staff leaving for the same reason.

**Guitana** · 5th October 2007, 17:29

So my loyalty is something that I pride myself in… but when does loyalty need to step back for self preservation??

Oh dear… I feel like a traitorous shit!
Am I being a big softie again?

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Fark em Joni!! Wer'e all pay check mercenaries you dont need these people arguing in front of you and getting personal! Dont take their abuse

they've crossed the line!!!
Get out of there and find another company to give your loyalty to! Think of your career,

you come first!!!

**Joni** · 5th October 2007, 17:33

Originally Posted by pzkpfw

How do they get to tell you that?

I will have to go and see clients, and they dont want me arriving on a bike... It is apparantly in the contract, which arrived 20 minutes ago, but I have not read, that I need to look polished and professional at all times...

**riffer** · 5th October 2007, 17:39

Originally Posted by Joni

Im not allowed to ride to work... does that count? I asked and they scoffed at me...

You what? Is that ACTUALLY in your contract? Good reason to leave I reckon. How dare they dictate what method of transport you are allowed to use. edit: I just read your post. Bollocks. I ride to work and I have my suit at work if need it. There's always a way around it. If they don't like your method of transport they can bloody well provide a car for you.

Go over the contract with a lawyer. It is unreasonable, however to get a contract at 6.30 Friday and have to sign it by the Monday.

If its a better deal (and they let you ride to work and still moderate at work too) and it's a better career move I would take it. You need a decent amount of time to look at a contract though. Any company that pushes you to make a decision too quick isn't thinking things through properly.

Remember they'll be nice to you at the new job for a while and if YOU don't like it you can always look for another one too.

Do what makes you happy Joni. God knows you get enough shit in your life. Even though you're only little, you shouldn't let anyone push you around.

**Unit:Me** · 5th October 2007, 17:46

If the new job opportunity is a better move for you personally, do it. I have been with my employer for four years and suddenly got made redundant, after planning a career with them I expected to last up to 10 years. Its been quite a sobering experience, and has pushed me to look at my professional life a little differently. Business is business, they will find someone else and it will no doubt be a new opportunity you are passing on to the new incumbent in your current role.

**Nasty** · 5th October 2007, 18:51

My take is current situation sucks .. headhunted ... etc etc ... new situation is pressured .. and unreasonable .. you have other irons in the fire .. they may or may not be as good as this one ....

Quite seriously I think that the offer that has been made and the tactics used, e.g. resign now, are unreasonable - and completely unacceptable. in other words - crap. They may be better or worse than your current stuff .. but the truth is they are unreasonable now they will continue to be so .. also what is this about a bike .. I am a professional and I ride all the time .. I also dress like a professional ... if its in the contract ... its probably CRAP too ...

The other irons may be more reasonable .. and if they also head you in the right direction ... wait may just be the answer ....

**geoffm** · 5th October 2007, 19:08

Beezness ees beezness as they say.
I have this problem with loyalty as well, but I am on a self help course..
My first job I had for 4 years, which was 2 years to long. I was young and green and they screwed me over royally. I could have nailed them in teh employment court if I had known better at the time. They got loyal service, but it wasn't rewarded. Company also had a high staff turnover, which I doubt has improved. No payrise for 4 years, and I got $8k a year by moving on.
Last job I was at for 7 years. Pay was crap, but it was great fun and we parted ways when the owners decided they wanted to retire, and I needed more money than the company could afford to pay me. It was all very friendly, and I am still in contact from time to time. Loyalty there cost me around $5-7k per year, but I don't regret it. It was time to move on when we split up. i miss the flexi hours though and company car.

In short, check out the options. You need to do some research on the players in the market you are going to or staying in. What is the reputation they have - NZ is a small place and word gets around? Can you find someone who worked there? Do a secret shopper thing and get a feel of the atmosphere?

This job where they give you the contract for the weekend is not on. I would tell them that you want to take advice on it. If they insist, you don't want to work for them anyway. Job flexibility has value, and it is a 2 way street. If they want it all their way, then it won't last. If they want the right people, they have to be flexible. We have had to wait 3 months before one of draftsmen could start - and it was well worth the wait.
I am assuming you aren't going for a McJob as a burger flipper, so I doubt if they will have lots of people lined up.
If they want to say you can't commute on the bike, tell them they have to pay you accordingly (and provide a parking space) or provide a car. Outside working hours they should have no say in the matter, unless they are going to pay.
Don't use your vehicle for work - you won't be insured. If you do, make sure they pay you generous mileage to pay the costs and risk - i get 65c/km.

Geoff

**Macktheknife** · 5th October 2007, 19:18

As far as the current position goes, get out. You're not happy, you have spoken up and not got what you require to be happy there, so get out.

As for the offer on the table, don't bother with them, if they are not prepared to deal with you reasonably when you are not employed yet, you can guarantee it won't get better when you are working for them.
I do have one caveat to that, is the person who is putting the pressure on you to quit an agent of some kind or a full representative of the new company? If they are an agent, ignore them and take your time. If they are representing the company, tell them to go to hell and you can find a better position.
Mack

**NZsarge** · 5th October 2007, 19:20

If you are being made to feel uncomforable in your work place by behaviour that is unprofessional (personal things alway manage to creep into the work place but there is a limit) I would'nt have any qualms about moving on to a better job if I were you, if you can get some happiness in your job take it with both hands and run I say! Besides if there is one thing i've learnt about such things is just because someone is employing you does not mean you owe them anything as they are paying you to do a job (particularly when they are treating you badly), simple as that really. Money for services rendered.

**pritch** · 5th October 2007, 19:27

Give your application for the new job your best shot.
If you get the job tell the current amateurs all about it and give them the chance to buy your soul.

Sell to the highest bidder.

But above all, remember it really is better if it's fun :-)

Am I a management consultant? Am I fuck!! But Hey! I am 63 and it all seems rather distant somehow.

Best of luck girl