Robert Taylor and idleidolidyll's political debating thread

[scumdog]

and?


i've already said i support work for dole schemes

Ah, but will the 'dolies' see it your way??

[avgas]

Lets all jump on the bang wagon here, as idol said - marketing is stronger than common sense.
Did people complain to the teeth before "Upsize me"?
Fact of the matter is i think Macca's and all the big chains out there do offer an extra concept for NZ'rs.
Its the concept of 'free game'.
Previous to this, you had to rely on 'Whatever was available'.
As someone who grew up while the whole 'chain' thing came on i have to admit there are major changes in NZ that have improved NZ.
- Seatbelts
Wearing a seatbelt in NZ was as rare occasion before the "Make it Click"
- Happiness
Whatching ya kids play and laugh while you spend time with them and your misses/extended family is priceless, at McDonalds in the 80's it cost 15 minutes of your time and $20. Getting the same happiness elsewhere cost you a tank of gas, 20 mins driving and something that was going to keep the kids excited ($$$)
- Employment
I have full respect for those that work at Macca's. Your pay packet is pretty much the same of those that do not work here. Yet you get no respect. I wouldn't be supprised if the unemployment ammount doubled with all the food chains leaving nz.
- Health
Are people getting fatter? or Fat people eating more?
I refuse to believe that a food type makes people fat - people make people fat, not food.
If we removed the fast food chains, i would put money down that people would continue to get fatter. Our lifestyle has changed, more than what we eat.
Fast food chains offer you 1 thing all over the world - Consistency. Previous to that you were unsure if you were going to get the trots or throw up everytime you went overseas. While in NY, we couldnt find public toilets anywhere......except McD's and Starbucks. Likewise my father would only drink COKE in Samoa, as he new it was clean.

But no, lets go poppy hunting..... i like the tall ones.
That is NZ culture trait, not the rest of the world

[davereid]

Work for the dole ?

Well, The Right Hon. Ms Bradford M.P. said "Work for the dole is the moral equivalent of being given periodic detention because you can't get a job"

So I guess income tax must be the moral equivalent of being fined because you can get a job ?

[scumdog]

life isn't counted by the number of toys you own

True, but when you DO get spare time (and aren't wasting it on KB - I'm just back from a 20km mtb ride btw) it's nice to go "hmmm, which one will I play with now?"

[Robert Taylor]

Geeze, this is why I avoid politics.....I have travelled a fair bit and reckon that NZ is probably the best 'Westernised' country in the world to live and that is all that matters to me.

I think one can allow oneself (I use 'one' to avoid descrimination) to get too embroiled in the what fors and want fors of politics and that this is just what the Politicians want.........'life' is what it is all about and sometimes we....whoops, sorry..one can allow this to get lost in politics

Whether one cares about it or not politicians intrude into our daily lives, obsessively so, and this has accelerated enormously during this millenium. If we are all universally blase about it the rug will be pulled out beneath us somewhat faster

[Robert Taylor]

come on now Robert; it was YOU who suggested going backwards not me.

i merely pointed out the hypocrisy of stopping at the point YOU think suits.

MY suggestion was to go forward

Yeah but you got carried away and took me out of my comfort zone!

BTW, do you wear Chinese clothes made with sweatshop labour? I think we all are universally hypocritical. Heck, there may be Nazi sympathisers assembling your favoured Orange motorbikes. The KTM hat might be made in China? Ohlins is 90% owned by a Japanese company, a country that committed horrific atrocities half a century ago etc etc. Sweden had it both ways during WW2, selling to both sides, and even allowed passage of Nazi troops via their railway system to occupy Norway.

I dont think history is always an excuse for appropriating an income stream. Where do you draw the line?

Ad infinitum...

[Robert Taylor]

The SOLUTION is to NOT support non-viable behaviour.

The SOLUTION is to NOT teach our kids there's such a thing as "easy money"

The SOLUTION is to NOT provide alternatives to genuine employment.

Again: Give generously to those who are genuinely disabled, and call it by it's propper name: charity.

And yet again: Charity given to those who are not so disabled will almost always cripple them. So don't do it.

You are so right

[avgas]

sure it was a choice (well if you exclude what the kaffalik church kept telling ma)

so what? we still have to compare apples with apples not pears

Yep, 2 beneficiaries can raise 10 kids these days its their choice

[Grahameeboy]

Whether one cares about it or not politicians intrude into our daily lives, obsessively so, and this has accelerated enormously during this millenium. If we are all universally blase about it the rug will be pulled out beneath us somewhat faster

Well they do not intrude into my daily life (and my circumstances could easly let it)........I sometimes wonder who is obsessive, the Govt. or people.........

[Hitcher]

• Rage against waste and want.
• Just enough is plenty.
• Reject the limits of division and self interest.
• Seek freedom. Freedom from greed and from poverty, freedom to learn, freedom to share, freedom to wonder.
• Connect. Our capacity for supporting one another is humanity’s defining virtue.
• Draw strength from unity. Alone we are precious, together we are powerful.
• Take control. We are what we do.

[Grahameeboy]

The SOLUTION is to NOT support non-viable behaviour.

The SOLUTION is to NOT teach our kids there's such a thing as "easy money"

The SOLUTION is to NOT provide alternatives to genuine employment.

Again: Give generously to those who are genuinely disabled, and call it by it's propper name: charity.

No "Entitlement"......disabled people don't want charity.

And yet again: Charity given to those who are not so disabled will almost always cripple them. So don't do it.

........................

[davereid]

• Just enough is plenty.

Lol
Hitcher
Devious, cunning and inventive
Bike: 2005 Yamaha FJR1300T


Shouldn't that read 2005 Yamaha 50 ?

[Grahameeboy]

• Rage against waste and want.
• Just enough is plenty.
• Reject the limits of division and self interest.
• Seek freedom. Freedom from greed and from poverty, freedom to learn, freedom to share, freedom to wonder.
• Connect. Our capacity for supporting one another is humanity’s defining virtue.
• Draw strength from unity. Alone we are precious, together we are powerful.
• Take control. We are what we do.

Well you are a Mod....................

[Finn]

• Rage against waste and want.
• Just enough is plenty.
• Reject the limits of division and self interest.
• Seek freedom. Freedom from greed and from poverty, freedom to learn, freedom to share, freedom to wonder.
• Connect. Our capacity for supporting one another is humanity’s defining virtue.
• Draw strength from unity. Alone we are precious, together we are powerful.
• Take control. We are what we do.

I can see you're a great fan of Charles Manson. He thought the same.

[Hitcher]

Shouldn't that read 2005 Yamaha 50?

Just enough is plenty.