Robert Taylor and idleidolidyll's political debating thread

[Grahameeboy]

Well Honda's are gay. I meant a heterosexual bike.

Is that the best reply you have....................not even worth giving you the for that own

[Hitcher]

Put it this way... Leave your bike outside in the elements and eventually the paint starts to dull and crack. Then corrosion sets in and you may find it stops working according to the manufacturers specifications.

Not with the regular and sustained application of polish. And occasional garaging.

[Finn]

Not with the regular and sustained application of polish. And occasional garaging.

I'd rep you for that but I'm still on parole.

[idleidolidyll]

Yep, 2 beneficiaries can raise 10 kids these days its their choice

and some foreign corporates get to pay no tax for years on the promise of some dubious 'benefit' to new zealand: aint life ridiculous?

[idleidolidyll]

True, but when you DO get spare time (and aren't wasting it on KB - I'm just back from a 20km mtb ride btw) it's nice to go "hmmm, which one will I play with now?"

sure, and when Dad had spare time he'd be off on his scooter, off hunting etc etc

good on yer re mtbiking; great sport that and teaches ya lots for motor powered ones

[idleidolidyll]

Ah, but will the 'dolies' see it your way??

who gives a rats arse? they're not here to argue about it

[idleidolidyll]

Yeah but you got carried away and took me out of my comfort zone!

BTW, do you wear Chinese clothes made with sweatshop labour? I think we all are universally hypocritical. Heck, there may be Nazi sympathisers assembling your favoured Orange motorbikes. The KTM hat might be made in China? Ohlins is 90% owned by a Japanese company, a country that committed horrific atrocities half a century ago etc etc. Sweden had it both ways during WW2, selling to both sides, and even allowed passage of Nazi troops via their railway system to occupy Norway.

I dont think history is always an excuse for appropriating an income stream. Where do you draw the line?

Ad infinitum...

ha!ha! that's what i seem to do best: push people out of their cosy little self delusions (in my humble opinion).

business is exceptionally good at ignoring shit like Nike making slaves out of Indonesian workers etc until some socialist points it out at home.

i used to design clothing that was made in China. Hemp clothing, long wearing and expensive.
I made a number of surprise visits to my factory in south west China to make sure it wasn't a sweat shop. THAT factory would have rated well in NZ, in fact better than most. Sweat shops exist though as they do on the Amerikan protectorate Islands not far from Japan.

The wage thing is ridiculous. The absolute dollar value for wages is not relevant but that's what's usually quoted ($1 a day etc). If that $1 buys the worker a better than average lifestyle/quality of life than the average for their kind of worker in their city, what's the problem?

To equate it to absolute terms shouldn't we all be earning as much as the average Luxembourgian?

Forget Japan's horrors, Amerika is every bit as bad today, it's just well hidden in so called wars on terror etc. Propaganda in the US is constant. Imaging having to sing the national anthem in Amerika every fucking morning or face abuse from your peers EVEN IF YOU'RE A KIWI!
Yes, a frriend of mine lived there with her family for a number of years and even though she wasn't a Uank, she was made to sing with them. She eventually refused and was pilloried.

[idleidolidyll]

The SOLUTION is to NOT support non-viable behaviour.

The SOLUTION is to NOT teach our kids there's such a thing as "easy money"

The SOLUTION is to NOT provide alternatives to genuine employment.

Again: Give generously to those who are genuinely disabled, and call it by it's propper name: charity.

And yet again: Charity given to those who are not so disabled will almost always cripple them. So don't do it.

Oh dear, none of those are solutions; they're just the 'easy as pie' attacks on something someone else is doing.

Anyone can say "that's bad", it takes intelligence to actually suggest solutions.

Charity doesn't work, it's usually tied up in politics with very attached strings like don't sell condoms to Africans (Amerikan charity). The US is about the LEAST charitable country on the planet if you count per head of population. They give about 0.18% of GDP. NZ gives about 0.25 but Western Euro countries give 0.75%.

BTW: Yank charity includes so called charity to Israel. Money spent killing Palestinians and supporting Israel's military. They are Amerika's biggest receiver of charity even though their mean incomes are in first world figures. It's bullshit.

Yes, the SOCIALIST countries.

[Hitcher]

and some foreign corporates get to pay no tax for years on the promise of some dubious 'benefit' to new zealand: aint life ridiculous?

Oh dear, none of those are solutions; they're just the 'easy as pie' attacks on something someone else is doing.

Life in reverse can be revealing?

[idleidolidyll]

Life in reverse can be revealing?

you'd be right if i hadn't actually offered ideas as solutions but i did

my opposition, when challenged to do what they demanded of me, haven't

[davereid]

you'd be right if i hadn't actually offered ideas as solutions but i did

Huh ? I Haven't seen you offer a solution to anything ? Remind me !

Lets do "brass tacks"
1. How do we improve the standard of living of New Zealanders ?
2. How do we keep inflation whipped ?
3. Why after 50 years of socialisim are we now at the bottom of the OECD not the top ?

[riffer]

I have a question that I wonder if anyone can answer.

We have to pay $2.80-odd for a 2-litre bottle of milk. This is because we purchase in a global market now. The price we pay is because that is the cost of the product globally.

But this same rule is not extended to wages. There is no global market for the average wage.

Am I the only person who wonders about this?

BTW. My results of the Political Compass:

Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.49

[davereid]

I have a question that I wonder if anyone can answer.

We have to pay $2.80-odd for a 2-litre bottle of milk. This is because we purchase in a global market now. The price we pay is because that is the cost of the product globally.

But this same rule is not extended to wages. There is no global market for the average wage.

Am I the only person who wonders about this?

BTW. My results of the Political Compass:

Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.49

Thats because its easy and simple to move a litre/container of milk from country to country.

Buts its very tricky to immigate/emigrate.

People by and large have to stay-where-put.

Interestingly, people who leave their home country as productive people over the years have been very common. Chinese, Irish, germans and yep Kiwis are amongst the most voluntary diasporic people in the world.

[Delerium]

ha!ha! that's what i seem to do best: push people out of their cosy little self delusions (in my humble opinion).

business is exceptionally good at ignoring shit like Nike making slaves out of Indonesian workers etc until some socialist points it out at home.

i used to design clothing that was made in China. Hemp clothing, long wearing and expensive.
I made a number of surprise visits to my factory in south west China to make sure it wasn't a sweat shop. THAT factory would have rated well in NZ, in fact better than most. Sweat shops exist though as they do on the Amerikan protectorate Islands not far from Japan.

The wage thing is ridiculous. The absolute dollar value for wages is not relevant but that's what's usually quoted ($1 a day etc). If that $1 buys the worker a better than average lifestyle/quality of life than the average for their kind of worker in their city, what's the problem?

To equate it to absolute terms shouldn't we all be earning as much as the average Luxembourgian?

Forget Japan's horrors, Amerika is every bit as bad today, it's just well hidden in so called wars on terror etc. Propaganda in the US is constant. Imaging having to sing the national anthem in Amerika every fucking morning or face abuse from your peers EVEN IF YOU'RE A KIWI!
Yes, a frriend of mine lived there with her family for a number of years and even though she wasn't a Uank, she was made to sing with them. She eventually refused and was pilloried.

I know a few people that have worked at camp america and had to sing their national anthem every morning. Being NZ military it soon became FUCK THAT! It stoppped and being kiwis they told them how it was and shortly the bullshit and ribbings stopped.

[idleidolidyll]

Huh ? I Haven't seen you offer a solution to anything ? Remind me !

Lets do "brass tacks"
1. How do we improve the standard of living of New Zealanders ?
2. How do we keep inflation whipped ?
3. Why after 50 years of socialisim are we now at the bottom of the OECD not the top ?

go back and do some reading then. i'm not going to repeat myself.

as for your continued propensity to ask or demand answers from me, you go first and we'll talk about what your opinions are