Robert Taylor and idleidolidyll's political debating thread

[98tls]

He condoned the fire bombing of Dresden. An event that killed more people than the atomic bomb and on a place that had no military value at all. If the Germans had of sucessfully invaded the Uk he would have been treated as a war criminal.



Merde

Being of German descent i would love to agree but faced with the big picture why would he have reason to care about Dresden or in fact any other German city.Total war leaves no room for conscience or regret....only actions.

[idleidolidyll]

Given that your ilk took a beating in the council elections and will do so in the general one next year it might not be so prudent to beat so hard.

you actually think local body elections are an indicator?

hilarious!

30% turnout with a great deal of votes placed merely because the voters recognise the person standing from TV or the newspapers makes the whole thing a nonsense.

BTW: the party I support GAINED a significant number of places in local body elections.

Wake up Robert, you're still in a daze

[idleidolidyll]

I concede no defeat and that man had a more interesting life, had acts of brilliance and acts of disaster on a scale that you or I could never attain. He would definitely be included in my fantasy dinner table of people from history. Your mate Karl is not even on the radar screen.

Oh sure, I understand why so many Conservatives hate Karl Marx even though he was voted the greatest thinker of the 20th century.

Conservatives are terrified of intellectuals (people who use their brains), intelligent people are a threat to hackneyed conservative bullshit.

Churchill was a thug, a drunk and extremely abusive. Outside the World Wars, society would have likely thrown him in prison.

[Robert Taylor]

Oh sure, I understand why so many Conservatives hate Karl Marx even though he was voted the greatest thinker of the 20th century.

Conservatives are terrified of intellectuals (people who use their brains), intelligent people are a threat to hackneyed conservative bullshit.

Churchill was a thug, a drunk and extremely abusive. Outside the World Wars, society would have likely thrown him in prison.

In your view of the world you doubtless find it impossible to concede that people can be both intellectual and conservative. Enoch Powell was a prime example of an extremely intelligent man with conservative views. ( Gosh I can hear the uproar already )
As I have intimated before the most infuriating thing about hardcore socialists is they have a ''holier than thou'' attitude that their way is the only right way.

[scumdog]

.......Karl Marx even though he was voted the greatest thinker of the 20th century..

Even more bloody opinions....why is THIS one getting any credence over others????:spudwhat:

[Finn]

you actually think local body elections are an indicator?

Typical lefty response. In the face of loss, plead ignorance. The majority of NZ have had a guts full of you and your lot Idle. National will win the next election so you better start looking for a job so you can feed all your welfare dependent offspring.

[Usarka]

Typical lefty response. In the face of loss, plead ignorance. The majority of NZ have had a guts full of you and your lot Idle. National will win the next election so you better start looking for a job so you can feed all your welfare dependent offspring.

Unfortunately i dont share your confidence mr finn. labour hasn't built up an empire of over half a million public servants for nothing. most of these are a gauranteed vote once clark starts the fear campaign rolling. then add all the beneficiaries in the country, you 've got to be getting close to half the population.

[Robert Taylor]

Unfortunately i dont share your confidence mr finn. labour hasn't built up an empire of over half a million public servants for nothing. most of these are a gauranteed vote once clark starts the fear campaign rolling. then add all the beneficiaries in the country, you 've got to be getting close to half the population.

I am with Finn in the desired outcome but yes I share your concerns about what these cretins have engineered. Add to that deliberate immigration and ''conditioning'' of those most likely to vote Labour.

[MisterD]

Churchill was a thug, a drunk and extremely abusive. Outside the World Wars, society would have likely thrown him in prison.

Should we pick on a socialist hero then? How about Nye Bevan? Made to repeat a year at school, also a drunk, also changed parties to suit his own career...

[Finn]

I am with Finn in the desired outcome but yes I share your concerns about what these cretins have engineered. Add to that deliberate immigration and ''conditioning'' of those most likely to vote Labour.

Don't give up hope Robert. I've already started my election campaign, I trust you are doing the same. Out of 50 staff, 30 are doing the right thing regardless, 15 are swing voters going right and 5 don't have a very bright future in the company.

[Robert Taylor]

Don't give up hope Robert. I've already started my election campaign, I trust you are doing the same. Out of 50 staff, 30 are doing the right thing regardless, 15 are swing voters going right and 5 don't have a very bright future in the company.

I agree, cant let the bastards grind us down!

[Robert Taylor]

Should we pick on a socialist hero then? How about Nye Bevan? Made to repeat a year at school, also a drunk, also changed parties to suit his own career...

Add Norman Kirk to that, an old guy I knew worked with him in a freezing works and had some tales to tell.

[Winston001]

It has been shown that he and his government had prior knowledge of Pearl Harbour and kept quiet so as to involve the US.

Yes - from President Roosevelt himself who kept deliberately quiet so the US would be drawn into the war which at the time Congress didn't support.

He condoned the fire bombing of Dresden. An event that killed more people than the atomic bomb and on a place that had no military value at all. If the Germans had of sucessfully invaded the Uk he would have been treated as a war criminal.

Errr....didn't the Germans start this by bombing London??? Prior to that it had been agreed cities would not be targeted but the Nazis changed the rules. You also conveniently overlook the concentration camps and 6 million deaths which I suggest far outweigh bombing of cities.

[Mr Merde]

Yes - from President Eisenhower ......

Elected President in 1956,

I think you meant Roosevelt

[Ocean1]

Add Norman Kirk to that, an old guy I knew worked with him in a freezing works and had some tales to tell.

Dude it's pointless listing them, they're all arseholes. It doesn't matter where thay've come from or what flavour their ideologies, in order to get to the top of the political heap they've become capable of ignoring sustainable best practices in order to buy votes. That automatically makes all of them incapable of managing an economy let alone a cohesive social policy.

In order to gain control National need to buy exactly the same floating votes that Labout do, what then is the real difference likely to be? Specifically, how do we get all those clever bastards back home? and how do we get them driving our economy the way they currently are offshore?

I think I know, I just want some feedback...