Robert Taylor and idleidolidyll's political debating thread

[Robert Taylor]

I worked a full day today and I'm at home STILL working. Please don't bore me with your stupid leaps of 'un'tuition

That depends on YOUR definition of a full day. You know your posts smack of ''my wedding tackle is bigger than yours''. That puts a finger on it.

[Street Gerbil]

Here's the top ten:

	Your Top 10 Thinkers:
		1. Karl Marx 2. ...

The problem with the internet is that it is a GIGO (Garbage In - Garbage Out) system - it can be easily manipulated.
Some websites have the guts to pull the plug when they see that the polls are being taken over by a band of armchair revolutionaries. Other's do not.

3i, if I may ask just one question: if everything is so rosy with the theory, how come that the liberated proletariat is so desperate to flee the communist paradise to the nearest capitalist hellhole? How come we don't see mass immigration to Russia, North Korea, or China?

[Sanx]

The BBC stands for ''Bull..t By Communists, they have pretty much been hijacked by the left as has happened here.

You and I will have to differ on that one, sir.

And I'm sure III accused them of being beholden to their shareholders and advertisers earlier, and therefore being a mere instrument of the evil capitalists plutocrats profiting from the sweat and blood of the common worker (or something like that).

Whilst the BBC may be a little left wing, the reason I respect the organisation is that they are one of the very few media outlets that don't have to please anyone. No shareholders, no advertisers, no owners ... no-one. The number of times the Labour government took them to court to try to get them to stop broadcasting enough is an indicator that they must be doing something right.

[scumdog]

because it was voted on by an esteemed group of international intellectuals......

All self proclaimed no doubt??Frkkn snobs.

[idleidolidyll]

The problem with the internet is that it is a GIGO (Garbage In - Garbage Out) system - it can be easily manipulated.
Some websites have the guts to pull the plug when they see that the polls are being taken over by a band of armchair revolutionaries. Other's do not.

3i, if I may ask just one question: if everything is so rosy with the theory, how come that the liberated proletariat is so desperate to flee the communist paradise to the nearest capitalist hellhole? How come we don't see mass immigration to Russia, North Korea, or China?

Because communism is NOT socialism; that's why they have different names: duh!

Mind you, if you're easily sucked in by right wing propaganda I could understand how you might be so deluded.

[idleidolidyll]

You and I will have to differ on that one, sir.

And I'm sure III accused them of being beholden to their shareholders and advertisers earlier, and therefore being a mere instrument of the evil capitalists plutocrats profiting from the sweat and blood of the common worker (or something like that).

close but no cigar

not shareholders but yes, to advertisers and also to the whims of whoever pulls the strings. In a large organisation that almost always means to the wealthy few: capitalists

anyone who doesn't investigate the decision makers in an organisation and what their motivations are; deserves to be fucked over by them

however, given that being a capitalist doesn't necessarily mean you support capitalism, there are exceptions.

capitalist and capitalism are quite different words. a capitalist is merely someone with great wealth invested somewhere.
capitalism is a system in which the control of economies is placed in the hands of the wealthy. Some wealthy support socialism and applaud real democracy where control is in the hands of the people.

Yes, i'm quite sure that statement will blow a few fuses around here

[idleidolidyll]

I see I'm in demand again, a string of quote/replies to my earlier posts await my reply

unfortunately I don't fit into many of your cosy delusions of 'socialist' and have a full day of work (an extra long day in fact)

I'll be back in due course to no doubt chuckle at the sheer ignorance of some and the intelligent wit of others.

[idleidolidyll]

That depends on YOUR definition of a full day. You know your posts smack of ''my wedding tackle is bigger than yours''. That puts a finger on it.

No, the initial slur was made by you and you have no fucking idea what i do or how many hours i work

however, a recent study reported in New Scientist confirms that men who work 60 hours or more per week have a significantly greater incident of heart attack than those who work 40 hours or less.

i'm not interested in dying rich but young, i'm interested in living a long happy life

[Street Gerbil]

Because communism is NOT socialism; that's why they have different names: duh!

Please, enlighten us, was it socialism or communism in USSR? Inquiring minds want to know.

Mind you, if you're easily sucked in by right wing propaganda I could understand how you might be so deluded.

I suppose... Either that, or the fact of growing up in USSR and having years of first hand experience. Like studying Marxism - Leninism at school and having to compare the theory and its implementation every fakken day of the week.

[Finn]

Because communism is NOT socialism; that's why they have different names: duh!

Perhaps someone should tell Labour this. They appear very confused, much like yourself.

[Finn]

A job? I have a great job, you're probably just a jealous loser and my offspring has a job and two fine kids. Your asinine attack on my family exposes you as the loser I knew you to be but keep it up: I give back as good or better than I receive. Pissants don't bother me at all.

And living in Manukau producing kids makes you a success? Fuck, they didn't tell me that in University.

[Sanx]

not shareholders but yes, to advertisers and also to the whims of whoever pulls the strings. In a large organisation that almost always means to the wealthy few: capitalists

The BBC - in their biggest market - don't have advertisers. They carry no adverts. Ever. As for who pulls the strings? Unless you happen to live in an anarcho-communist commune, there's always a boss.

In this instance, the boss - the Director General - is appointed by the government. This particular Labour government appointed the last one too, and the government then staging one of the most public, yet bullshit-filled, inquiries into the actions of the BBC over the reported claims of a scientist - who then died - was an indication of how much the government resents the existence of a national broadcasting body that is genuinely independent.

Of course, any broadcasting body's output is going to be influenced by those working for it. My uncle, a fanatical pro-Jewish Zionist who loves berating me on the evils of Islam, endlessly slates the BBC for being pro-Palenstian. I've also read the reports from Palentinan activists about how the BBC skews stories in favour of the Israelis. I've had right-wing arch-Conservatives in the UK complain in debates about the BBC's pro-Labour stance, and long-time Labour supporters complain about how the BBC favours the Tories. Personally, I take this as a good sign. If both sides think that a media organisation is biased in favour of the other, it's a good indication that said media organisation is playing it pretty much straight down the middle.

[Robert Taylor]

No, the initial slur was made by you and you have no fucking idea what i do or how many hours i work

however, a recent study reported in New Scientist confirms that men who work 60 hours or more per week have a significantly greater incident of heart attack than those who work 40 hours or less.

i'm not interested in dying rich but young, i'm interested in living a long happy life

And therefore spreading your socialist poison to all and sundry ignoramuses.

Do you want a 30 hour working week for good measure perhaps...

[Sanx]

And therefore spreading your socialist poison to all and sundry ignoramuses.

Do you want a 30 hour working week for good measure perhaps...

I've been enjoying the benefits of a zero-hour working week for the past 2.5 weeks. The money's lousy but the quality of life's great!

Robert - can you advise if I can make a pre-emptive claim on ACC for a vital bit of safety equipment - for example, that TTX shock you showed me at Taupo on Friday. Having now discovered the joys of being bone-idle, I don't want to go back to work, but I fail to see why I should let that little matter prevent me from having all the toys. Surely it's now the State's responsibility to pay for them for me?

[Street Gerbil]

If both sides think that a media organisation is biased in favour of the other, it's a good indication that said media organisation is playing it pretty much straight down the middle.

False dichtomy, mon ami. Let's say I want to make other people think that you are an alcoholic. The man on the radio keeps reporting that you are starting your every day with beer. You believe that the news man is biased because *YOU* know for a fact that you never drink alcohol before 6pm. I believe that the news man is biased because I expect him to report that you start your day with absinth rather than beer. So we both believe that the news program is biased, only is your beer drinking habit truly an accurate middle ground between abstinence and absinth?