Wire (cheese cutter) barriers

**RiderInBlack** · 22nd October 2007, 17:48

Please don't say that his speed killed him as we have not got all the facts yet.

**R6_kid:Me** · 22nd October 2007, 18:20

Perhaps a 'hikoi by bike' to Parliament would work? That would mean getting the message to a much larger audience, it doesn't have to be obstructive in anyway, but if we all travel in large convoy, both from the North and the South then not only would it get good media coverage, but we would be spreading the word as we travelled from our respective start points.

Just an idea

**Sanx** · 22nd October 2007, 18:27

Originally Posted by RiderInBlack

It has been suggested that the frame of his bike failed (like this bike), causing him to be thrown in to the "Biker Cutters". If that is so the "Biker Cutters" would have still killed Back Fire even if he was riding within the limit. Don't think any rider would have faired any better if this was the case. So please don't say that his speed killed him as we have not got all the facts yet.

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**Brett** · 22nd October 2007, 18:48

Originally Posted by RiderInBlack

It has been suggested that the frame of his bike failed (like this bike), causing him to be thrown in to the "Biker Cutters". If that is so the "Biker Cutters" would have still killed Back Fire even if he was riding within the limit. Don't think any rider would have faired any better if this was the case. So please don't say that his speed killed him as we have not got all the facts yet.

regardless of the outcome of the frame inspection on Dans bike, this is the last gsxr I will own. I Love my bike with undying passion, however the next GSXR may not quite have the same build quality...seems they just aren't willing to get it right.
The speed issue was irrelevant in Dans case, he never had a chance at any speed against the barrier.

**illusivemenace** · 22nd October 2007, 19:02

Originally Posted by R6_kid

Perhaps a 'hikoi by bike' to Parliament would work? That would mean getting the message to a much larger audience, it doesn't have to be obstructive in anyway, but if we all travel in large convoy, both from the North and the South then not only would it get good media coverage, but we would be spreading the word as we travelled from our respective start points.

Just an idea

im in

**sunhuntin** · 22nd October 2007, 19:09

Originally Posted by R6_kid

Petition - I'm sure there are enough of us around the country with a couple of hours spare on the weekends to hang out at malls/shopping centres/bike shops etc, to gather up signatures to build support against the barriers. There may be a certain number we need to reach, but I'm sure it can be done.

get a hold of local triumph clubs too... i will be passing this info on to the wanganui crew when i next see them, see if they are keen to set up a table at the mall or something. it may also be able to built into up coming toy runs as well, have a table with as much info as possible with sheets for signatures etc.

**avgas** · 22nd October 2007, 19:19

correct me if im wrong - but what would make it any worse than any other road in NZ if we ripped the succkers out?
20 ton Hitachi digger could do it easy. But you would have to do it in sections, 1 section a night.
Removing the worst sections first.
I know talk is cheap on the internet - but just to bounce an idea out there.

**JMemonic** · 22nd October 2007, 19:23

I was wondering how long it would be before folks started bringing in the speed issue into it, I had meant to get up to the local cheese wires today and get some photos and measurements, but ran out of time.

I my thoughts are right and from the comments the steel upright is the main problem area. I am sure that the edges on these will act as a blade and no matter the speed and could potentially sever a limb even through our protective gear this causing a potential life ending injury.

I had a thought today about a form of covering, (and perhaps I am reinventing the wheel here), that could be manufactured here in NZ using recycled materials it could of course cause a broken bone, but that is by far a better option than to bleed out on the road side while waiting on our emergency services.

I will attempt to explain the idea but I often have trouble putting ideas to words so please forgive me if it is difficult but I am sure one of the folks here with design skills should be able to translate and draw up a plan.

The concept is to use recycled plastics, a multi layered covering consisting of a sold core 15-20mm thick off this is a set of ribs 0.5-1mm thick with an outside diameter of 10-15mm with a gap between then of about 5 mm, the best way I can describe this is think of a bolt thread, then over this an outer covering of about 5mm. This could be designed to wrap around the steel upright and clip into place, sealed at the top to avoid water entering and filling the chamber, this device would serve a couple of functions, 1 it would remove ability of the upright to act as a blade and 2 it would act as a form of cushion.

Perhaps this is not the right place to post this but there are folks reading this forum, if a device like this can be built and retro fitted to save just one life, which could be the life or your friend, of family isn't to worth exploring options.

Perhaps you are an engineer and can design a better solution, or a manufacture who can build a device, if my thoughts and ideas get some sort of work and options happening then so be it. I was taught if you see a problem try and work out a solution.

**Dave_G** · 22nd October 2007, 19:28

This is one of the best studies I've seen to date on this subject. It includes a lot of analysis of the various barrier systems and a series of comparitive tests.

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd.../05-0095-O.pdf

Its too long to detail here so have a read yourseleves. Some of the real world examples quoted support the argument the motor cyclists have against this barrier system.

Like wise the story on this link says it all as well. Even the large and (largely immovable)EU machine has acknowledged there is a problem.

http://www.independent.ie/national-n...w-1138376.html

**avgas** · 22nd October 2007, 19:34

So lets concertrate on 1 thing at a time - in this instance the fence needs to change obviously.

**Fub@r** · 22nd October 2007, 19:37

You guys are right about the amount of plastic being recycled or should I say collected........

Was working around a landfill a couple of years ago and was shocked to see those huge red waste trucks from around Auckland dumping truck and trailer loads of milk containers in to the landfill. So much for recycling

**JMemonic** · 22nd October 2007, 19:40

Originally Posted by avgas

Even if he was only doing 99kph, speed would have been a factor. But it is a risk we take day in and day out.
So lets concentrate on 1 thing at a time - in this instance the fence needs to change obviously.

This is in my opinion is the core of the issue, lets not lose sight of this please.

**illusivemenace** · 22nd October 2007, 19:51

what about a modified version of thos temp plastic interlocabe barriers they could easily be modded to slip over cheese cutters and the steel barriers and bolted down easily and cheaply replaced and they would take a damb site more impact out than concrete
the more i think about it the easier it seems..............to easy??

**FROSTY:Me** · 22nd October 2007, 20:36

Folks A little point here. If you want to sell something to someone the way to do it is to show the problem and OFFER A SOLUTION. One that is palatable to them .
I'd suggest that modifying the existiing cheese cutter would be whatthey willmost likely go for.