They shall not grow old as we that are left grow old.
Age shall not weary them nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the evening,
we will remember them
Yep - Wire Rope Barrier. Excellent interview from you last night Felix - you used both terms. Interestingly I asked my other 1/2 (she rides) last night what a cheesecutter was - no idea.... But she does agree that WRB's are dangerous!
Cool - fair enough. I have to give TV3 some credit for not mentioning the speed. It potentiallly is an issue in the actiual incident, but not in the injuries recieved. I believe the injuries received could/would well have happened at legal speeds also. I guess that is the point that we want the general public to get. We don't want the speed clouding the issue...Big ups to TV3 for the balanced article last night.
Interestingly, and exactly as I predicted, several replies on the Herald site from members of the public have used the speed in the incident as an argument against the campaign. What a shame they don't get the point...
Regards
DougieNZ
J'Ville
Wellington
Interestingly, armco barriers are just as dangerous! The missus had an 'off' on the Rimutaka hill Rd a few years back while learning. Sliding across the road fine with full protective gear.
Then hit the barrier post (under the armco). Cracked ribs and knocked out. Another set of armco underneath could well have prevented those injures. She ended up under the armco wrapped around the post!
Regards
DougieNZ
J'Ville
Wellington
There's been a few comments that the wire barriers are not good in a situation where there is little room either side as a car will still go onto the other side of the road.
The counter to that is and will be that the barrier will act as a brake, and that it is better for a car (or bike for that matter) to hit an on coming car when it has slowed drastically than at 100kph. Eg a 110kph impact is much more survivable than 200kph.
If there isn't room for concrete barrier then I don't think anyone would succeed in saying having no barrier is better than a cheese cutter. The life of one motorcyclist is far cheaper than the lives of 10 car drivers. Simple fact. The effort in this situation needs to be implementing the safest possible option (eg the idea about sleeves).
I'm still very concerned about these being used on the sides of the roads and in places with shitloads of room......
Indeed. These have been recently randomly applied as roadside barriers along the Pekapeka straight north of Waikanae. I say "randomly" because it appears that their intention is to keep vehicles out of drainage channels that run parallel to the main road (not that vehicles doing so is anything close to a common occurance), but yet there are still vast expanses of "unprotected" drains that appear no less dangerous than those bits that are now fenced.
The worst use of cheesecutter (I think) in the Greater Wellington region is on SH58 -- the Haywards Hill road, where it is used as a median barrier on a stretch of narrow road with off-camber corners and an extremely marginal road surface.
"Standing on your mother's corpse you told me that you'd wait forever." [Bryan Adams: Summer of 69]
The above link shows a viable alternative as an addition to existing armco barriers. Reducing the rate of injuries to riders significantly.
They shall not grow old as we that are left grow old.
Age shall not weary them nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the evening,
we will remember them
http://tv3.co.nz/VideoBrowseAll/Nati...ID=37392#video
Was on the 6pm News
Regards
DougieNZ
J'Ville
Wellington
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