Speeding and lack of riding skills

[inlinefour]

Do you wear protective gear? if so, why?

There is also a risk driving a car. Should we not put up median barriers at all because after all everyone knows cars can crash. Being a pedestrian or a cyclist is pretty risky these days also - lets not worry about traffic light crossings or cycle lanes.

the issue is that something has been introduced that increases the risk for us (like there isn't enough already) when there are viable alternatives available.

[Edit:] hmmm not sure this belonged in this thread or not. oh well.....ftw.

Has anyone considered how unsafe it would be not to have them? Was my understanding that they are there to avoid head ons if a vhicle tried to go onto the wrong side of the road. Yes there is a risk doing certian things, but as adults its up to us to decide if we want to take the risk(s).

[raster]

Has anyone considered how unsafe it would be not to have them? Was my understanding that they are there to avoid head ons if a vhicle tried to go onto the wrong side of the road. Yes there is a risk doing certian things, but as adults its up to us to decide if we want to take the risk(s).

We don't want to get rid of them, just make them safer like they were supposed to be in the first place.
Thats being worked over in another thead.

[inlinefour]

We don't want to get rid of them, just make them safer like they were supposed to be in the first place.
Thats being worked over in another thead.

Sounds like a bloody good idea then.

[bmz2]

How can not pulling over for a faster rider not be poor reactions. BMZ2 waited until the guy was passing him to pull over? Reminds me of all the retards in cars txting on the way to work everyday. Consideration is making room for every rider, whether he's faster, or slower than you.

just read your post , think you have the wrong end of the stick. Could not pull over to allow a bike to pass , was on a tight left hand corner, and my bike needs every bite of road in a corner to get around it. The m109r has it faults , and one is corning ,it fat ass rear wheel and lowered 2 inches than stock tends to push the bike to wards the centre of the road , any body tying to overtake this beast on a corner and at high speed , is going to come off second best.Plus not one bike overtaking try 2, wheel to wheel If you were going to overtake, would you not wait till after the corner, same as you would do in a car. just a thought, have been wrong in the past and will be wrong in the future, but i still say lack of riding skills at high speed.

[Pixie]

I still don't know what this thread is about.

A guy on a cruiser got frightened by 2 guys on sprot bikes

[Pixie]

well it seems you arent the only one. Boomer Pm'ed me to tell me he cant make sense of my posts and doesnt really care. In fact, he didnt care so much he Pmed me about no caring. That is some pretty uncaring about my posts going on there.





I'll put this bit down here and hopefully Boomer will have given up reading my post by now because of the effort that has gone into not caring about my post I would feel like a real bastard if I spoilt it for him.
The point of the thread is that some people do get offended when others ride in a dangerous manner around them. Just because a bike happens to be on SH16 that doesnt mean the rider is trying to get from one end of it to the other as fast as s/he can. Sometimes people just like to cruise. Sometimes (brace yourselves cause this is a kicker) , sometimes people like to cruise at a pace that is quicker than the speed limit allows. This doesnt mean they are racing. So next time you come across a bike (we will assume that being as you caught the bike up in the first place you are travelling faster than they are) then have a bit of thought about the way you get past.

Clear now? (except Boomer who is continuing not caring)

F'in' greenies

[Pixie]

As somebody who rides my local UK roads (busier than any I saw in NZ) at pace, surely the issue isn't speed... it's about building up experience and having consideration for your other road users

(RIP fallen rider)

We are talking NZers here,Fat Tony,building up experience and having consideration for your other road users are usually the last thing they'll ever consider doing,
-look at the all blacks

[Pixie]

just read your post , think you have the wrong end of the stick. Could not pull over to allow a bike to pass , was on a tight left hand corner, and my bike needs every bite of road in a corner to get around it. The m109r has it faults , and one is corning ,it fat ass rear wheel and lowered 2 inches than stock tends to push the bike to wards the centre of the road , any body tying to overtake this beast on a corner and at high speed , is going to come off second best.Plus not one bike overtaking try 2, wheel to wheel If you were going to overtake, would you not wait till after the corner, same as you would do in a car. just a thought, have been wrong in the past and will be wrong in the future, but i still say lack of riding skills at high speed.

If you run 10 psi in the tyres,remove the balance weights,fit STUPID HIGH HANDLEBARS,you could make it handle even worse.

[Blind spot]

I only read the first and last page of this post but.
If some of these dickheads i read about on this site blowing about getting there knee down and how clever they are going fast had to go back to find there mate crashed of his bike and un concious in the drain with busted bones like i have they might re think there ride style.
I often wonder if some of the dreamers have ever been to a track day and enjoyed a good blast on there bike in controled situations?
Falling off a bike hurts fellas it's not a video game.
Ride safe

[steveb64]

just read your post , think you have the wrong end of the stick. Could not pull over to allow a bike to pass , was on a tight left hand corner, and my bike needs every bite of road in a corner to get around it. The m109r has it faults , and one is corning ,it fat ass rear wheel and lowered 2 inches than stock tends to push the bike to wards the centre of the road , any body tying to overtake this beast on a corner and at high speed , is going to come off second best.Plus not one bike overtaking try 2, wheel to wheel If you were going to overtake, would you not wait till after the corner, same as you would do in a car. just a thought, have been wrong in the past and will be wrong in the future, but i still say lack of riding skills at high speed.

BMZ2 - I've been following this post - figure it's about time to put my 10c worth in (would have been 2c or 5c worth, but damn govt keeps taking the coins away)...

I agree with you in that having TWO bikes go around you at the same time is a bit much - but why modify your bike to make it more dangerous "and lowered 2 inches than stock"?
Surely, with a motorcycle - particularly in NZ, on our crappy roads - you should be modifying it so it goes around corners better, NOT worse! It's not like you're riding on US freeways or European motorways...

As for overtaking around LH corners - sometimes that's the only way I can get past some of these damn cruisers/Harleys - bloody things can accelerate faster than I can down the straights, so I tend to (have to ) follow for two or three corners (close enough that they 'should' hear me...), until I've sussed out their cornering style and lines, then come past under brakes. The Duc's got proper full floating cast iron discs, and grippy pads & tyres, so I might not be able to keep up with em on the gas, but I can beat most things under brakes. Then I stay sitting out by the white line, and get on the gas hard and get out of the way of the bike I just passed - and hopefully, I can stay ahead of them down the next straight...

Besides - it could have been worse - they could have come past you on your LH side - around a RH corner! And YES, I know someone who does that (mate of mine, an ex-racer, nicknamed 'Barge', so I'm sure one or two here might recognise him - he's in Aussie these days...) occasionally, but I sure as hell don't!

Errmm - and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong - but isn't it legal to ride two abreast on MC's?

Not so much their lack of riding skills, as lack of sense and courtesy. Particularly courtesy.

[Fat Tony]

We are talking NZers here,Fat Tony,building up experience and having consideration for your other road users are usually the last thing they'll ever consider doing,
-look at the all blacks

That bad eh?

I find this thread really interesting... we have a local bike meet at Squires Cafe , Sherburn in North Yorkshire. ALL types of bikes turn up, in their hundreds/thousands and ALL types of bikers get along, chat about their bikes whether they're sportsbikes, supermoto, cruisers, trikes, whatever... it's all about enjoying being on 2 wheels (3 in some sad cases )

Who gives a f**k what anybody rides? Yes, the type of bike you ride often dictates the way you ride on the road, so yes, obviously there are differences, but aren't we all just out to enjoy ourselves? (with consideration for others' safety... oh, there I go again... I forgot Pixie's info already )

[Deviant Esq]

but aren't we all just out to enjoy ourselves?

We are... but within reason. Tell you what I hate - reading or seeing a thread come up on KB titled "biker down" or "RIP fallen comrade" or similar. "So? We all do" you might say, and we do all hate reading or seeing threads like that... but I'll get to my point shortly. It really makes me cross when some ignorant cager has failed to give way or see a biker and nails them, as it does all of us...

But what pisses me off more is hearing / reading about biker accidents where no other traffic is involved. That, I think, is what this thread is all about. All very well to get out and enjoy ourselves... but if a biker throws his or her bike down the road at 200km/h and kills themselves, that should make us way more annoyed than if an ignorant cager wipes them out. It's stupid and needless loss.

What is worse is when one such individual, who others can forsee having this kind of accident, is potentially endangering innocent people as collateral damage to their lunacy. That shit does not wash with me, nor does it with most people on here. You simply can't go out and endanger innocent people's lives, biker or otherwise. The sooner some loose units pull their heads in, the better motorcycling is for it.

[bmz2]

BMZ2 - I've been following this post - figure it's about time to put my 10c worth in (would have been 2c or 5c worth, but damn govt keeps taking the coins away)...

I agree with you in that having TWO bikes go around you at the same time is a bit much - but why modify your bike to make it more dangerous "and lowered 2 inches than stock"?
Surely, with a motorcycle - particularly in NZ, on our crappy roads - you should be modifying it so it goes around corners better, NOT worse! It's not like you're riding on US freeways or European motorways...

As for overtaking around LH corners - sometimes that's the only way I can get past some of these damn cruisers/Harleys - bloody things can accelerate faster than I can down the straights, so I tend to (have to ) follow for two or three corners (close enough that they 'should' hear me...), until I've sussed out their cornering style and lines, then come past under brakes. The Duc's got proper full floating cast iron discs, and grippy pads & tyres, so I might not be able to keep up with em on the gas, but I can beat most things under brakes. Then I stay sitting out by the white line, and get on the gas hard and get out of the way of the bike I just passed - and hopefully, I can stay ahead of them down the next straight...

Besides - it could have been worse - they could have come past you on your LH side - around a RH corner! And YES, I know someone who does that (mate of mine, an ex-racer, nicknamed 'Barge', so I'm sure one or two here might recognise him - he's in Aussie these days...) occasionally, but I sure as hell don't!

Errmm - and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong - but isn't it legal to ride two abreast on MC's?

Not so much their lack of riding skills, as lack of sense and courtesy. Particularly courtesy.

i lowered the bike because i liked the look , and it rides well for what it is. They also recommend that i lower the bike because i have pushed the rear tyre to the max size , 240 to a 280/35 and it has ridden better since i have done this.It rides well for the size of bike and i am not interested in how fast i can take a corner , just enjoy riding this beast at a cruiser pace. Got back into riding for a stress release, but feel now that i am not welcome on the roads, even if i do ride on two wheels. It may just be my age but i enjoy viewing the countryside when i riding, and thats what i wanted to ride for to forget the bull and stress of work and have a bit of fun.The guy's that i have met on here and i ride with are a good bunch

[steveb64]

That bad eh?

I find this thread really interesting... we have a local bike meet at Squires Cafe , Sherburn in North Yorkshire. ALL types of bikes turn up, in their hundreds/thousands and ALL types of bikers get along, chat about their bikes whether they're sportsbikes, supermoto, cruisers, trikes, whatever... it's all about enjoying being on 2 wheels (3 in some sad cases )

Who gives a f**k what anybody rides? Yes, the type of bike you ride often dictates the way you ride on the road, so yes, obviously there are differences, but aren't we all just out to enjoy ourselves? (with consideration for others' safety... oh, there I go again... I forgot Pixie's info already )

I've seen what some of the Brit biker meets are like - he's not joking! Some of the 'roadside cafe meets' have enough bikes to be a NZ weekend rally!

Hey Tony - have you been to NZ before? If you haven't, you're going to be in for a RUDE shock when you see what the roads are like!
Think of the roughest, most potholed 'C' road you know, widen it to two lanes, and you have the equivalent of State Highway 1. And they go downhill from there. The motorway is slightly better, - but there's not much of it...

[Fat Tony]

We are... but within reason

I see you cropped off my "with consideration for others' safety..." bit mate It took me ages to think about whether to apostrophe "others" or not too

Have to disagree with your comment about accident cause. If a biker is taken out by any other careless driver (car or bike) it gets my back up far more than hearing about somebody overcooking it, having a lapse of concentration, misjudging a turn etc... we've all done that