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**sunhuntin** · 9th November 2007, 11:35

Originally Posted by jrandom

Is it really the case that a significant proportion of fatal single-bike crashes happen to people riding big bikes while still on their learner or restricted licence conditions?

Personally, I would not expect to see a statistically significant difference. If, say, 5% of the > 250cc bikes out there are being ridden by riders without full licences, I would simply expect to see 5% of the fatal single-vehicle crashes of > 250cc bikes involving such riders.

most of the one bike accidents ive read about all involve riders who have been out of the game for a few decades. they hit mid life crisis time, and then go and buy the biggest, bestest bike in the shop. many bin before they get to the end of the street. others bin before they are even off the lot.

i dont recall reading many bins involving kiwi riders on cc bikes too big for their license... in the states, where they can get their first stage and go and buy an 1100 sprotsbike, its a different story.

**Astrocat** · 9th November 2007, 11:37

To all reading this. Yes Dan is going to be a named rider on the ZX, just as soon as he gets his arse into gear and gets the full licence. He can get it this month and is organising to get it as we speak. When i got the call last night to say what had happened, i admit that my heart missed a beat. But given his personal circumstances outside of the fact that he is on a bike bigger than his licence is concerned, ive no regrets laoning the bike to him. He is a good rider, and getting better. I have witnessed him going through the ropes of learning and improving his ability to ride.

**Tank** · 9th November 2007, 11:37

Originally Posted by sunhuntin

many bin before they get to the end of the street. others bin before they are even off the lot.

When I picked up the new bike last week, Holshots told me the exact same thing happens all the time and advised taking it easy on the new tyres.

Apparently some people just dont listen

**Astrocat** · 9th November 2007, 11:44

In Dans favour, i have personally watched him go through the 250cc bikes and then the 400cc bikes and then the 600cc bikes for some time now, and although i dont condone the fact that he let the WOF and Rego laps, he is a good rider.

Hey Dan, please dont let the f..ken wof and reg laps please. Next time the cops are going to make you walk, pay a very hefty fine, and maybe impound the bike for min 25days with a cost there too. What is the owner of the bike going to say then? How are you going to getr to work to pay the fines, rent, living costs? I hate to think what situation you would be in then. And because i know the owner very well, be aware of this......if the owners girlfriend gets wind of it, she will string you, and the owner up from the highest point.

Its all downhill from there, and what about the money that you have put into it????????

**sunhuntin** · 9th November 2007, 11:51

astro... having ridden as pillion with dan, i can vouch for him being a safe, competant rider. i would ride pillion with him again any day.

**jrandom** · 9th November 2007, 11:51

Originally Posted by sunhuntin

in the states, where they can get their first stage and go and buy an 1100 sprotsbike, its a different story.

I bet!

You know, after five years of riding, I've done less than 5000km on litrebikes to date this year, and I managed to surprise myself with my corner entry speed a couple of times last weekend. Extra unplanned squeeze on the front brakes required before tip-in, etc.

I hate to think what a rank n00b would be like on a big bike first-out. It doesn't bear contemplating. "Wheeee, look at me, I have 140 horse powers! Yay! Whoosh, whoosh, neoooowwww! Oh, look, a corner, oh fuck shit bugger panic...", shortly followed by a notice in the local newspaper and his family hating motorcycles for the rest of their lives.

**sprag** · 9th November 2007, 11:52

Originally Posted by Disco Dan

When did I say that I "bought" the bike??? I do not legally own it - nor can I legally own it, even with license conditions aside.

As I said before my options were limited - either ZX11 for a few months on wrong license or no transport at all in any form (short of public) for close to three years. Fuck that.

SO the law only applies when its convenient for you ?

I can tell you right now if you hit my car or bike and had no insurance I would be very pee'd off, sure my insurance would cover me but then I would have to pay the excess, my no claims bonus goes, and for your stuff up I have to pay.

Get off the bike until you get your full and use a bloody bus. that is what public transport is for, for people that cant drive/ride in the legal terms of there license or people without cars/bikes.

**Tank** · 9th November 2007, 11:56

Originally Posted by jrandom

shortly followed by a notice in the local newspaper and his family hating motorcycles for the rest of their lives.

Dont dorget the biker down thread with 30 pages of RIP post

**Jimmy B** · 9th November 2007, 11:59

Originally Posted by Astrocat

To all reading this. Yes Dan is going to be a named rider on the ZX, just as soon as he gets his arse into gear and gets the full licence. He can get it this month and is organising to get it as we speak. When i got the call last night to say what had happened, i admit that my heart missed a beat. But given his personal circumstances outside of the fact that he is on a bike bigger than his licence is concerned, ive no regrets laoning the bike to him. He is a good rider, and getting better. I have witnessed him going through the ropes of learning and improving his ability to ride.

You loaned it to him.. then you're a bigger tool than he is.

This flaming thing is starting to feel pretty good

**Astrocat** · 9th November 2007, 12:07

Haha, cant you come up with something more original than that. Like i said, ive no regrets loaning him the bike, even at my own risk. Yep accidents may happen, but then so did you.

**Jimmy B** · 9th November 2007, 12:10

Originally Posted by Astrocat

Haha, cant you come up with something more original than that. Like i said, ive no regrets loaning him the bike, even at my own risk. Yep accidents may happen, but then so did you.

So Disco bins, takes out someone with him and you loaned the bike to him. How do you feel smartarse?

**Astrocat** · 9th November 2007, 12:15

Dan makes his owns decisions while riding. So your guilty trip shit wont work on me hahaha. He pays the consequence for his actions or inactions, whatever the decision is at the time.

Wanna try another one sweetie

**Luckylegs** · 9th November 2007, 12:17

Roll Up, Roll up.... Get your massively reduced post count back up here !!!!!!

**Astrocat** · 9th November 2007, 12:22

Dosnt mean by any stretch that i would be impressed, but like i said he is responsible for his own actions.

...next......

**Jimmy B** · 9th November 2007, 12:27

Originally Posted by Astrocat

Dan makes his owns decisions while riding. So your guilty trip shit wont work on me hahaha. He pays the consequence for his actions or inactions, whatever the decision is at the time.

Wanna try another one sweetie

"People with anorexia deny anything is wrong, despite obvious signs to the contrary". My god man, you have mental anorexia

How was that?