Here we go again...

**Mikkel** · 13th November 2007, 12:53

Originally Posted by MSTRS

I mean that to espouse christian values does not mean that one has to be religious.
Eg...I do not like church and all it's trappings, the jury is out on the existence of 'God', I think the so-called miracles in that Book are merely the ancient's way of explaining what they didn't understand, but I do try to follow the intent of the 10

Oh, I see what you mean now.

I disagree, the 10 commandments should be covered by standard ethics. And while they are good values, calling them christian values implies that there's a religious aspect.

You can follow the 10 commandments for any number of reasons, let me give a few:
1. You'll burn in hell if you don't! (Catholicism)
2. God will think you're naughty, but if you say "sorry" it's all good cause he loves ya. (Protestantism)
3. You just feel like behaving in that way. (Egoism)
4. You feel that it's a good and proper way to behave around your neighbours. (ethics)
5. It brings you closer to spiritual enlightenment. (Buddism - while their rules are not the same, this is the train of thought)

**enigma51** · 13th November 2007, 12:55

dont forget the science thingy

**Mikkel** · 13th November 2007, 13:05

Originally Posted by enigma51

dont forget the science thingy

Hmmm, that's a bit harder. The closest thing I can get to (semi-hard) science as a base for ethics gotta be economics. And even then it's a bit far fetched.
Guess you could throw in all sorts of psycho babble (the human mind works best when given tangible boundaries) and neuro gibberish (humans are instinctively social animals) but that's not really inside my field...

**MSTRS:Me** · 13th November 2007, 13:11

Originally Posted by Mikkel

I disagree, the 10 commandments should be covered by standard ethics. And while they are good values, calling them christian values implies that there's a religious aspect.

Call them anything you like...the title does not legitimise the content. Nor should the content imply a need to go to church or believe in the mumbo-jumbo of religion.
Which should bring us back to the reason for this thread...specifically, the death of someone as a result of weird beliefs, which the state encourages and foists upon us, as long as it is 'maori' stuff....

**MSTRS:Me** · 13th November 2007, 13:12

Enigma means 'scientology'. A weird set of beliefs started by the science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard.

**Mikkel** · 13th November 2007, 13:16

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Enigma means 'scientology'. A weird set of beliefs started by the science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard.

Well, then he should have said scientology - not the science thingy

I do however think that psycho babble and economics will provide a good understanding of the workings of that society.

But I agree, let's get this thing back on topic... ====> ON TOPIC.

**enigma51** · 13th November 2007, 13:46

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Enigma means 'scientology'. A weird set of beliefs started by the science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard.

Only weird for you and me there are some people who think its the b all and end all

Much the same like the maori thing at the begining of this discusion.

see what i mean po ta to
pa ta to

**snot** · 13th November 2007, 13:57

We used to get coons all the time on our front porch, momma'd just shoo 'em away with a broom..

**Finn** · 13th November 2007, 14:01

You're all taking my very serious thread off topic. I vill not tolerate zit any lonker. You haz been varned.

Fuck, mention the word "culture" or "Maori" around here and look what happens. It all went down hill when Billy T James died.

**u4ea** · 13th November 2007, 14:09

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Que?? Just which side of the argument are you on??
Besides, what's bigotted about being against state-sanctioned mumbo-jumbo? When that very same state won't allow christian-value teachings in schools etc...

I heard that now Sunday school will be banned as 3 or more kids being taught spirituality as christians is educating and they need a trained teacher ffs...

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Call them anything you like...the title does not legitimise the content. Nor should the content imply a need to go to church or believe in the mumbo-jumbo of religion.
Which should bring us back to the reason for this thread...specifically, the death of someone as a result of weird beliefs, which the state encourages and foists upon us, as long as it is 'maori' stuff....

I see that as it is a maori practice it will be swept under the carpet and totally excusable..spoze the rest will drown their sorrows under a keg tap...

**DMNTD:Me** · 13th November 2007, 14:18

Originally Posted by u4ea

..spoze the rest will drown their sorrows under a keg tap...

Yeah mate...obviously. I mean they are second rate citizens eh?

**SwanTiger** · 13th November 2007, 14:42

The news item which this thread is based on has no substance, in my opinion it is a rendering of a journalists pathetic attempt at sensationalism.

The reality is that a young woman died under suspecious circumstances which appear to be related to a religious ceremony. The ethnicity of the deceased and those allegedly involved in the religious ceremony is irrelevant.

Any attempt by someone associated with the event to excuse the cause of death using cultural or religious reasons is only exhibiting their guilt for the responsibility of the young womans death.

However, it makes for a great news article that stimulates a majority of the populations existing frustrations. The consequence is that a group of innocent people sharing the same enthicity of those associated to the event suffer the unfair and unjust effects of racism.

**Finn** · 13th November 2007, 14:46

Originally Posted by SwanTiger

The consequence is that a group of innocent people sharing the same enthicity of those associated to the event suffer the unfair and unjust effects of racism.

Yeah, Boomer called be a Whitey yet it was his forefathers that caused all the problems on this Island in the first place. I'm the victim here.