Kill the Bill

**devnull** · 15th November 2007, 16:16

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Well this is one incident and I would question whether the kids have suffered any long term trauma........it could have happened anyway before the Bill, who knows..not saying the incident was unfortunate, however, surely in the bigger picture, we have these safeguards and at the end of the day the right decision was made, but it could so easily have been a valid complaint and I think this gets overlooked by the paranoid.

Lets just agree to disagree...

I object to my tax dollars being used to fund failed social experiments that will eventually harm my children. I also think that turning around 10+ years of social decline will take a long time, so my first priority is to find somewhere overseas that's going to be safer and offor more opportunities for the kids...

**Grahameeboy** · 15th November 2007, 17:35

Originally Posted by devnull

Lets just agree to disagree...

I object to my tax dollars being used to fund failed social experiments that will eventually harm my children. I also think that turning around 10+ years of social decline will take a long time, so my first priority is to find somewhere overseas that's going to be safer and offor more opportunities for the kids...

No problem.

Have to say that having travelled a wee bit that NZ is one of the safest places for kids.

**Sanx** · 15th November 2007, 22:25

Originally Posted by Finn

I thought the bible was all about choice...

You need to read the old testament some time, mate. There's bugger-all choice allowed in there, especially when it comes to choosing which god to worship or which rules to follow.

But all thsi really is another thread...

**Ocean1** · 23rd November 2007, 11:21

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

No problem.

Have to say that having travelled a wee bit that NZ is one of the safest places for kids.

Care to back that up with some genuine un-spun numbers?

WRT social policy in general it's worth noting that legislation does not ever change social behaviour, and no amount of "education" will make it so. What does change social behaviour is allowing a natural alignment between cause and effect, action and consequence. Labour seems hell bent on perverting such, and that more than anything else, I believe, is a large contributing factor to poor social behaviour.

**Usarka** · 23rd November 2007, 13:31

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Have to say that having travelled a wee bit that NZ is one of the safest places for kids.

didn't NZ recently get reported as having one of the highest rates of child abuse in the world?

Your rose coloured glasses may make your life easier, but it doesn't help the tens of thousands of kids being abused, bullied and traumatised each year......

Earl grey?

**Grahameeboy** · 23rd November 2007, 17:49

Originally Posted by Usarka

didn't NZ recently get reported as having one of the highest rates of child abuse in the world?

At Schools??

Your rose coloured glasses may make your life easier, but it doesn't help the tens of thousands of kids being abused, bullied and traumatised each year......

No rose tinted glasses and my life not easy which is perhaps why I see things from a different perspective.

Earl grey? Urrr!!

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**Usarka** · 23rd November 2007, 18:24

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Earl grey? Urrr!!

Finally one thing i agree with!

**Grahameeboy** · 23rd November 2007, 18:26

Originally Posted by Usarka

Finally one thing i agree with!

**Finn** · 4th December 2007, 08:00

Even our leftist newspaper has attacked the bill yet again today. Quite a good editorial too. Read it and weep.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10480130

Anybody that supports this bill is clearly a Labour loving, communist simpleton.

**Usarka** · 4th December 2007, 08:54

It says a lot when our Minister of Justice favours ambiguous "common sense" approach to lawmaking instead of implementing robust and non-ambiguous legislation.

Or is that helens hand up her arse making her mouth move.....?

**The Pastor** · 4th December 2007, 10:46

sorry guys, i dont quite understand what so wrong about the bill? can somone dumb it down for me?

**Finn** · 4th December 2007, 10:55

Originally Posted by renegade master

can somone dumb it down for me?

I'm not sure I can write that stupid.

**Big Dave** · 4th December 2007, 10:58

Originally Posted by Finn

I'm not sure I can write that stupid.

Txt it.......

**Usarka** · 4th December 2007, 10:59

Try reading the link that finn posted. If Herald articles are over your head then youre the perfect labour voter.....

Put it this way, next year the moderators on this site will be busy removing any political discussions to save spank being fined $120,000.