Penalised for trying to help

[Shadows]

Well..sorry to disagree with about 90% of the posters on this thread but I think you's have all been brainwashed by the crazy "keep left" kiwi law.

There's nothing crazy about staying on one's own side of the road.

You're just being ridiculous. I don't overtake on corners. I don't overtake past junctions. Many years of riding and training has taught me to slow down and look for an escape route near "blind" driveways and junctions so I'd certainly not be on the wrong side of the road in your example.

Ridiculous. Only Mrs. S can call me that and get away with it.

What was really ridiculous was how much fun I had drawing the picture. There was no mention of overtaking near intersections (at least, those that have been sighted). Everybody, I hope, knows that is never a good idea as all it takes is for the vehicle being overtaken to decide to turn right, or turning on traffic to come your way, and you're toast. What was being discussed was straightening the road out and using the whole thing as a matter of course. What I was talking about was the unseen intersection, amongst the long grass, the low hedge, the slight dip in the road, and the left turning car on the right. The driveway / road / car you never thought was there and could not see. I've seen it happen. And that was only one possible scenario.

As for 220kph....ask other riders...120 is my limit. Why do you assume that just because I cross the centre line (a LOT) I ride at crazy speeds?

Because you said you could go "A LOT" faster riding like that. 120kph should rarely necessitate using the whole road, and isn't "A LOT" faster than fuck all really. Unless, of course, you're in a 50kph zone - in which case why the hell are you straightening out the road at 120kph?

Hey. Here's another scenario. What about the guy flying up from behind to overtake the dude trundling along at 105km (15k short of his "limit" on this beautifully clear visible road he keeps mentioning) when suddenly the dude closes the door in front of him by cutting across the road? I bet you don't indicate for three seconds every time you cross the white line.

I only cut white lines where there are no oncoming traffic and I can see right through the corner and well past it.

Lazy riding. A very bad habit to get into, especially if on a long ride. A little fatigue, a little bit of a blase attitude after a few too many k's, conditioning of one's self to taking a particular corner angle at a particular speed because for the last two dozen corners one has been able to use the whole road, and then for some reason one can't..... all a recipe for disaster.

[Kittyhawk]

FFS It's a ride, and no matter what ride, there's always ONE maybe even TWO Cockasses! They just want to prove their dicks are bigger than everyone elses....*where fact is they really cant last longer than 5 mins* Same concept in biking.

If someone crosses your line, cuts you off, or fucks you off, have it out with them....forget road rage, go up and smack them over *ooer did I just type that out loud?"

If an asshole is doin the whole "Im faster than you" ask him how many times he's binned, and then ask why he keeps binning.

At the end of the day RIDE YOUR OWN RIDE fuck everyone else. We are bikers, we know right from wrong, however we will still push limits in some cases. The idiots who do so called lightening speeds, will regret it in life. You cant keep running from fate when it could be around the corner.

When a possum or cat runs out and they hit it they are fucked. If you travel at around the speed limit give or take 10km/hr you have a hell of a better chance surviving and avoiding the situation than at 160km/hr. By then its too late.

Let them go dont worry about them, if they are friends express concerns, if they are just people who you ride with in a group let them go.

Would you rather get there the fastest or the safest?

Oh geez I duno where this post is going, Im off to bed.

[_Shrek_]

i have had it pointed out to my by one who sits behind me that my head & shoulders are often over the centre line & it freaks her out "not good" & all i can put it down to is bad habits will be changing the way i
thanks for the tip about the mirrors Jen will try it out

cheers keith

[T.W.R]

Let them go dont worry about them, if they are friends express concerns, if they are just people who you ride with in a group let them go.

Would you rather get there the fastest or the safest?

mmm? the bikers spirit huh?

A group ride the safety aspect is the group not just friends within that group

:slap: Though yesterday I had an amusing sight of following some peanut on a silver R1 or R6 down Dyer's pass Rd (all done out like they were ready for some hot laps at ruapuna), stupid thing was though, on every corner it was 'swing the tackle out into the wind' even once we got into the residential area the rider kept it up . It looked FUCKING GHEY!! and who ever it was wasn't anywhere near being quick as their cornering speed/positioning was pathetic

[Kittyhawk]

mmm? the bikers spirit huh?

A group ride the safety aspect is the group not just friends within that group

LOL! you should do the ATNR ride and it'll demonstrate what I mean.

The litre bikes are gone...they are fast being bigger bikes compared to the 250's. Of course they are going to go faster, and yes the 250 riders just let them go. Im not going to go out there and tell others how to ride, they know it already. Basic principals, ride within your limits, the bikes limits, and if you fuck it up you're going down one way or another. There are some situations beyond the riders control, car parked in a corner etc.

However, if someone is down the riders behind always stop, front of the pack is informed, and the waiting part participates. When the front of the pack is told, they dont leave the stop where they have pulled over for a break until the back of the pack has regrouped.

Once given the ok, the ride proceeds.

I always stop for a biker on the side of the road...weather Im in the cage, on a bike, or with friends out and about, no matter where it is, or what time of the day I always do it. I carry tools in the back of my car, puncture repair kit, water and food.

And yesterday, I met a kber for the first time, and gave him my spine protecter, no charge, as I wanted to see him riding safe out there. I dont need it as Im not riding anymore.

[dangerous]

There's nothing crazy about staying on one's own side of the road.

What was really ridiculous was how much fun I had drawing the picture. There was no mention of overtaking near intersections

What was being discussed was straightening the road out and using the whole thing as a matter of course. What I was talking about was the unseen intersection, amongst the long grass, the low hedge, the slight dip in the road, and the left turning car on the right. The driveway / road / car you never thought was there and could not see. I've seen it happen. And that was only one possible scenario.

Because you said you could go "A LOT" faster riding like that. 120kph should rarely necessitate using the whole road, and isn't "A LOT" faster than fuck all really. Unless, of course, you're in a 50kph zone - in which case why the hell are you straightening out the road at 120kph?

What about the guy flying up from behind to overtake the dude trundling along at 105km (15k short of his "limit" on this beautifully clear visible road he keeps mentioning) when suddenly the dude closes the door in front of him by cutting across the road? I bet you don't indicate for three seconds every time you cross the white line.

Lazy riding A very bad habit to get into,

Awesome wording, just what I have been saying... only spelt beter, I dont see how its possible to argue with such common sence... yet some do

PS: the key word is Lazy riding.

[scracha]

There's nothing crazy about staying on one's own side of the road.

Did I say it was crazy? I'm just trying to point out that at suitable times it's certainly not crazy to cross the center line.

What I was talking about was the unseen intersection, amongst the long grass, the low hedge, the slight dip in the road, and the left turning car on the right. The driveway / road / car you never thought was there and could not see. I've seen it happen. And that was only one possible scenario.

Fine...but I've stated at least 3 times I cut corners on clear bits of road with good visibility. I have two eyes and I can differentiate a clear road from one with junctions, driveways, hidden dips and other vehicles on it. If another highway user can't then perhaps they shouldn't be driving?

Because you said you could go "A LOT" faster riding like that. 120kph should rarely necessitate using the whole road, and isn't "A LOT" faster than fuck all really.

Depends where you ride. As an example. On an advised 50kmph 90 degree corner I can go round it safely sticking to my side of the road at say 70kmph in the dry. If I were a numpty I could get my knee down and go round it at 100kmph. Alternatively, if I can see right through the corner I can quite safely cut it and take it at 100kmph. Please note I said I could go "A LOT" faster....doesn't mean I do and it doesn't mean I travel at warp 9. 100kmph is a "A LOT" faster than 70kmph. Most of the time I don't actually take the corner any quicker than if I were staying on the left hand side of the road, it's just a far safer line that requires less lean. In the wet, there is a trade off between keeping the bike more upright/less braking versus potentially slippery white lines.

Unless, of course, you're in a 50kph zone - in which case why the hell are you straightening out the road at 120kph?

So as well as doing >200Kmph you're now assuming I speed through 50K zones? I suppose because I cross the center line I must also have no WOF, no rego and wheelie past primary schools.

Hey. Here's another scenario. What about the guy flying up from behind to overtake the dude trundling along at 105km (15k short of his "limit" on this beautifully clear visible road he keeps mentioning) when suddenly the dude closes the door in front of him by cutting across the road? I bet you don't indicate for three seconds every time you cross the white line.

Well it'd hardly be a clear and visible road then would it and therefore I wouldn't be crossing the white line. I check what's behind me before I do this...EVERY TIME. I've never had anyone "sneak up" behind me.

Lazy riding.

Is it? It requires quite a bit of concentration and dare I say, a little bit of skill. To me, lazy riding is being sat a couple of meters from the left hand side of the road, not indicating, just relying on mirrors and not looking over shoulder before overtaking and doing daft stuff like overtaking on bends. But I don't really want to get into a bitchfest.

A very bad habit to get into, especially if on a long ride. A little fatigue, a little bit of a blase attitude after a few too many k's, conditioning of one's self to taking a particular corner angle at a particular speed because for the last two dozen corners one has been able to use the whole road, and then for some reason one can't..... all a recipe for disaster.

Now you're just staring to make lots and lots of other assumptions (as well as your earlier ones about me speeding in town and doing over 200K) that simply aren't true. Can't see through the corner...I slow down. Oncoming traffic, I slow down. Vehicles behind me, I slow down. Junctions, intersections, driveways, hidden dips, pot holes, cow pats, etc....I slow down. Any doubt at all, I slow down. Why can't you get it through your head that I (and many other riders) can manage to use the whole width of the road in a very safe manner.

For example, on a clear left hand bend, I move out towards the RHS of the road. Sometimes I'll even cross over to the right hand lane. This gives me a view of what's beyond the bend way earlier than were I to keep left. So as well as letting me keep my bike more upright, I can spot things like U-turning police vehicles etc and take appropriate action earlier.

I wouldn't abuse another rider for sticking to the left hand side of the road but it seems to be OK to accuse me of all sorts of $hit because I sometimes cross the center line when the road is clear.

[scracha]

I disagree!! Andrew & Lynne at www.Roadsafe.co.nz are very highly trained, internationally & are a wealth of knowledge & skills!! They do top quality rider training courses & license testing!

... maybe you should go see them!

Maybe I should but my point is that 99% of people on the roads don't do these advanced rider training courses like the one you mentioned. Unfortunately the compulsory driver and rider training is a joke

[scracha]

huh? why aren't you now?

Low speed limits and terrible/aggressive car drivers and the major reasons. In just over one year of riding here witnessing first hand more bikers crashing than 16 years riding in Europe put together. Am saving up the peso's for a KLR650 or something similarly nice to ride at 100kmph. My aggression is being saved for the track where I'm learning loads.

At the end of the day there's some good advice on this thread. On public roads, ride to your abilities. In fact, ride at about 50% of your estimated abilities as you never know what some other dick drivers is gonna do and one day you'll need that extra 50% to get out of trouble. If you're crossing the centre line on blind corners, you're an arse. If you see someone else doing this, give em hell. If you're overtaking without looking over your shoulder, then more than likely you'll hit the other vehicle who's sneaked up into your blind-spot.

[MyGSXF:Me]

Maybe I should but my point is that 99% of people on the roads don't do these advanced rider training courses like the one you mentioned

That's what a forum like KB is useful for.. EDUCATING riders.. any noobee I see on here that lives near Wellington, I point them in the direction of the Roadsafe website & suggest they give Andrew a call! Several have done so & thoroughly enjoyed the course, learnt heaps & recommend it to others also! Shit, a guy from Dunedin even flew up to Nelson especially to attend a Roadsafe rider training day.. simply because he had seen my posts plastered all over kb about how good the courses are!!!

Word of mouth is a powerful tool!

[SVboy]

I just came back from a ride I used to specifically evaluate where in the lane I was, in regard to right hand cornering. Quite eye-opening. I think this thread[ and D and MYGSXF] have made me much more aware of how I can improve my roding in this regard, and it is certainly an area I will focus on. Fun ride too!

[dangerous]

Lazy riding. A very bad habit to get into,

Is it? It requires quite a bit of concentration and dare I say, a little bit of skill.

ya what? skill to cross the center line, because ya going to fast to take it leaglly?

For example, on a clear left hand bend, I move out towards the RHS of the road. Sometimes I'll even cross over to the right hand lane. This gives me a view of what's beyond the bend way earlier than were I to keep left.

yeah the on comming cage, or me doing the same speed as you but on the correct side of the road... mate thats just plan shitty riding.

I like your argument tho, give me more

[MVnut]

And speaking of doing the same speed as a corner-cutter but on the correct side of the road, a little story (true) ...Once upon a time in a land not far at all from the Kopu Hikuai GP, a silly young fellow in a Jappa cage thought he was faster than another far more sensible fellow in a Porsche RS Carrera. The dork quickly turned into a corner-cutter in a futile attempt to appear 'speedy' whilst the RSnut just pootled along ..........until he got sick of the little game ( & thinking the dork was gonna lose it ) so when the corner-cutter next took to the other (safe ???? righthand) side of the road, RSnut stayed on the correct side and drove around the outside and buggered off, having enough time on arrival at Tairua to order fish n chips and listen to a complete song on the stereo. And the moral of this story is .................................................. .................................................. ....... don't mess with someone on the way to the chip shop , oh yeah, and stay on your own side of the road. RSnut..........Corner-cutter

[dangerous]

hahahaha... good one MV, do you still have a porsche?

[MVnut]

In da garage, didn't you see it..........mind you it's under a sheet. 73 RS Carrera lightweight ex-works 470hp beast.