MMMMM what next !!

**Bren** · 31st December 2007, 14:08

Originally Posted by STUPY

and thats why there is a shit load of kiwis pissing off over seas because our goverment is just revenue gathering all this to try stopping boy racers. all it is going to do is piss off the working class and more people will lose liciences because of the demert points system, well look out goverment you reap what you sow

How can you say it is revenue collecting when the new law changes will lower the fines being handed out?

Demerit points will be introduced for all drivers who are caught running a red light or stop sign, or not wearing a seatbelt.
They will also increase for speeding offences, while fines will be cut - in some cases by almost half.

If ya dont speed, and you follow the road laws then it wont affect you!

**ManDownUnder** · 31st December 2007, 14:10

Originally Posted by South3rn Rid3r

Speed Kills, End of story!

You might want to break that to the racing fraternity.

Hitting things hurts, hitting things at speed hurts more (and possibly kills) but speed is fine (note the pun).

Actually - thinking about it I think it's the rapid transfer of kinetic energy that kills. Couldn't they just outlaw that?

**Bren** · 31st December 2007, 14:14

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

You might want to break that to the racing fraternity.

Hitting things hurts, hitting things at speed hurts more (and possibly kills) but speed is fine (note the pun).

Actually - thinking about it I think it's the rapid transfer of kinetic energy that kills. Couldn't they just outlaw that?

I see your point there, and agree that speed on the racetrack is fine, as it is a controlled situation, and most riders that are on the racetrack are trained and experienced....but on the roads it is not called for!

**99TLS** · 31st December 2007, 14:20

dont see what all the fuss is about really, speed limit is only 100 why do you feel the need to go faster on the roads? thats what track days are for arent they? i ride like your nana so it dont bother me

**Meanie** · 31st December 2007, 14:34

Originally Posted by South3rn Rid3r

I really don't see an issue here, as I don't speed unless overtaking, and even then it is not by much. The people that have radar detectors are basically saying that they speed by the mere presence of a radar detector in or on their vehicle. I do not see the point of them if you don't speed.
If you are one of the ones that is pissed off by the law change then I have absolutely no sympathy for you, and you are better off not being on the road!

Speed Kills, End of story!

So i guess you are going to thank the officer when you do get a ticket overtaking someone doing just under 100 ks, because they will ticket you. You cant stick to the speed limit to overtake if you want to survive
They say they are targeting boy racers well what a crock of shit, if they wanted to do that they would do the same with a car license that they do with bikes, restrict the size of the motor they can drive
Why dont they want radar detectors because they dont want an even playing field........ Helen must be sorting her reitement fund

**Bren** · 31st December 2007, 14:43

Originally Posted by Meanie

So i guess you are going to thank the officer when you do get a ticket overtaking someone doing just under 100 ks, because they will ticket you.

as it happens I went down to Timaru and back again yesterday. I passed vehicles on the way and never went over 115 km/h. Heck if i get pulled over for passing at 115 then so be it...If the cops are gonna pull someone over then I think they would go more so after people doing 130+ rather than someone doing 115 in a passing manouvere.

Anyway, it does not matter what I say in this forum after all, cos some one is always gonna frikkin say I am wrong...probably someone who has shit loads of speeding tickets...

**Swoop** · 31st December 2007, 15:10

Originally Posted by South3rn Rid3r

If ya dont speed, and you follow the road laws then it wont affect you!

Originally Posted by South3rn Rid3r

I went down to Timaru and back again yesterday. I passed vehicles on the way and never went over 115 km/h.

Still broke the law though...

**Bren** · 31st December 2007, 15:29

once again i have pissed someone off....lol what a frikkin joke this place is!

**Gubb** · 31st December 2007, 16:13

Originally Posted by awayatc

Radar detectors will become illegal, attracting fines and demerit points on an escalating scale in a three-year, phase-out plan. Those using detectors will initially face $50 fines and 25 demerit points, rising to $150 fines and 75 demerit points in the third year.
Transport Safety Minister Harry Duynhoven said he was prepared to withstand a potential backlash by those using detectors to lessen their chances of being caught.

But it doesn't give a date, as of right now, i'm pretty sure they are still legal, unless someone is willing to link me towards some evidence suggesting otherwise.

I couldn't give a toss if they are banned or not, doesn't affect me either way, and I don't believe that it's encroaching on my personal freedoms either.

**Meanie** · 31st December 2007, 16:18

Originally Posted by South3rn Rid3r

once again i have pissed someone off....lol what a frikkin joke this place is!

Na mate you have to work a lot harder than that to piss me off, i live next to cowboyz

All we are doing is expressing opinions and are never shared by everyone

I am just a little tired of the government dictating what we can and cant do and when they are busy telling us this they are robbing us blind with taxes ACC, levies, Speeding tickets, rates etc etc
I dont speed a lot but am known to cruise around 110 to 120 ks because i like to be just a little faster than the traffic. I personaly dont see this being a problem even though i am breaking the law. If i get caught i pay the fine without bitching But I think they are blanket targeting everyone in NZ instead of the problem areas which is IMO Exsessive speed and boy racers
Whatever happened to the government working for us, they never asked us what we wanted to do about the problems we face on the road ?

**SPman** · 31st December 2007, 16:19

Originally Posted by South3rn Rid3r

How can you say it is revenue collecting when the new law changes will lower the fines being handed out?

If ya dont speed, and you follow the road laws then it wont affect you!

....and if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear............

........

**STUPY** · 31st December 2007, 16:20

[QUOTE=South3rn Rid3r;1360758]How can you say it is revenue collecting when the new law changes will lower the fines being handed out?

hello!!!!! there will be more tickets handed out if people don't have radar detectors, lower the $ value but increase the productivity, simply a great marketing effect really!!!!!!!!!!!! less $ for one person but more from the whole country

(see his smile)

(look out back pockets, and licences)

**terbang** · 31st December 2007, 16:40

Originally Posted by South3rn Rid3r

Speed Kills, End of story!

Uhh..? How fast is speed..? I spend most of my life between 800 and 1000 KPH. Been doing it for 25 years too. Last time I looked I was still kicking...

**oldrider** · 31st December 2007, 17:05

Originally Posted by terbang

Uhh..? How fast is speed..? I spend most of my life between 800 and 1000 KPH. Been doing it for 25 years too. Last time I looked I was still kicking...

Yeh, what bullshit that "speed kills" line is!

Today another old prick was going on about motorcyclists doing wheelies down the road with no safety gear on.

I asked him how many other motorists were on the road or about.

There were none!

The biker was in control and didn't fall off or bother anyone else!

The old prick was watching from the golf course!

I told him the biker was just as safe or safer than he is on four wheels and that "He" should just mind his own freeking business!

Happy New Year everybody. Cheers John.