Cemetary circuit 2007: Farce

[Swoop]

The more experienced racers shouldn't be lead into a first corner pile up if they have any sense. If they are in fact quicker they can bide their time and pass through out the rest of the course once the first few corners are cleared.

I reacon Craig Shirriffs should have started of the back but he still would have won and probably gone under 50.
(Edit: He was in the 49's in two races)

IF the "BEST" riders are in fact quicker, why do they need to start from the front of the grid?
The V8 Touring car races have a "reverse grid" order.

[slowpoke]

Originally Posted by slowpoke
You're joking right? If Brian Bernard is doing so much for the sport then why is it at such a low ebb? At the last North island Nationals round I went to, on a fine day, there were only about a dozen competitors in the Superbike class, 2 of which were from Oz, and 2 guys were on seriously outclassed machinery making up the numbers so to speak (no disrespect meant) leaving a grand total of 8 reasonably serious competitiors from throughout NZ.

Brian is fostering overseas riders not NZ riders.
Brian isn't fostering anyone they pay to race
But what is it doing for NZ riders? Seeing how fast someone else is is no good unless you are taught to reach the same level. The bulk of the "prospects" have been watching the same established campaigners Stroud, Clee, Rees, Shirriffs disappear into the distance for years with little new blood coming through to replace them. Sam Smith had to leave the country to improve his skills and Dom Jones/Hayden Fitzgerald have done the same.

We have no riders competing in WSBK or MotoGP or any realistic prospects.
Sam Smith or Jay Lawrence seem realistic prospects.
Be realistic, Sam finished the Oz supersport season in 12th position, a top 10 result was a good finish. He needs to at least win the Superbike championship to have any chance of progressing on to the world stage. I'm not saying it's impossible but he has got some serious mountains to climb. Jay is undoubtedly talented but will once again be forced to leave the country to progress.

We have no live TV coverage and delayed coverage is heavily edited/condensed.
Maybe thay should put all races on the TAB but someones saying they are rigged
In an expensive sport, no TV profile means poor crowds, means poor sponsorship, means fewer competitors, means lower overall standard etc

Our premier championship was won by an Australian privateer.
And New Zealand Privateers have done well in Australia. Robby Bugden is a great competitor and had to work hard for that title and Shawn Giles the year before its not their fault they are Ozzies
I wouldn't have had a problem if Shawn Giles had come over and won, he's a top level factory rider....unfortunately it was more of a tune up for him after coming back from a massive injury. Robby is a definite prospect but he finished 10th in the Oz Superbike champs. Sure it's against factory bikes but Russell Holland nearly pinched the title on a privateer bike in 2006. I don't have a problem with a Coxhell, or Brookes or Stauffer coming over and cleaning up, it's when someone who finishes 10th in Oz comes over and takes the title.

Can things seriously get any worse???!!!
Move to Fiji and race there. Things are great 2 new racetracks. Lots of upgrade work at manfield I'm rapt Only a small group of people read KB posts. We don't actually represent the wider biking community. If this thread wasn't posted what difference would it have made?
That's just it, our road racing scene is trending towards Fiji levels with no signs of reversing the trend. Poorly organised/officiated events like Wanga's (and others apparently) only serve to push us lower as more competitors and sponsors become disenchanted. Even with the upgrades at Manfeild it's hard to believe we once had a round of WSBK there with kiwi riders competing in it and challenging for the title. That's how far we've fallen. Taupo is lousy on a big bike, but at least Hampton Downs looks to be a major improvement.

I would seriously be worried if there was some damage that could be done but realistically things are in such a poor state that it's time for the laundry to be aired and hopefully people will get angry enough to demand/enforce improvemnts.
Change only happens when the pain of staying as you are is worse than the pain of change. A lot of competitors are feeling some discomfort at the moment and only require some unification to make some changes.
Rival Motorcycle Racing League anyone.............?

EDIT: the sad thing about a lot of the above is that all this is occurring during a BOOM in motorcycling, when it's never been more popular. What's it going to be like when numbers drop off.......

[Kickaha]

i have also been a witness in a coroners court on a road race fatality and know full well that this set up would be interesting if it ended up in front of them

So have I, so long as all the correct procedures and paperwork are followed and the competiors are informed of how it will be run there shouldn't be any problems

as for bron getting hit from behind maybe he should buy the sidecar if its fast enough to catch up with his!]

So in your whole career you never got a bad start?

[lurker]

for those interested, i took a look at the honda dealer, and dowmans name is still on it... whether he still has an active part in its ownership/management, i dont know. either way, it is still branded as dowman keowen honda.

Daryl drives the Dowman/Keown honda red crewman and Jeff now has a new crewman and ute sign written Keown Honda,it takes time to fase out when buisnesses end partnerships.Shows how observant you are especially re:comment about shrubs/trees that werent touched/cut down around motard track.
GREAT DAY AYE !!!!!!!!!!!!!ESPECIALLY MOTARDS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sunhuntin]

Daryl drives the Dowman/Keown honda red crewman and Jeff now has a new crewman and ute sign written Keown Honda,it takes time to fase out when buisnesses end partnerships.Shows how observant you are especially re:comment about shrubs/trees that werent touched/cut down around motard track.
GREAT DAY AYE !!!!!!!!!!!!!ESPECIALLY MOTARDS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

why then is the building branded with dowmans name? i go past there every day to and from work. go take another look at the building itself, not just the trucks.

[GSVR]

I wouldn't have had a problem if Shawn Giles had come over and won, he's a top level factory rider....unfortunately it was more of a tune up for him after coming back from a massive injury. Robby is a definite prospect but he finished 10th in the Oz Superbike champs. Sure it's against factory bikes but Russell Holland nearly pinched the title on a privateer bike in 2006. I don't have a problem with a Coxhell, or Brookes or Stauffer coming over and cleaning up, it's when someone who finishes 10th in Oz comes over and takes the title.
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Shawn Giles broke his pelvis after he'd finished racing here. Or are you talking of another injury?

Robbie Bugden finished 3th in the Australian SB before he took the title here. Andrew Stroud came 4th in the ASB that year.

Why not make NZ a round of the Aus Superbikes at Hampdon downs?

[Ivan]

why then is the building branded with dowmans name? i go past there every day to and from work. go take another look at the building itself, not just the trucks.

Please Please Please remove your singature I thought it was to do with this topic and it made me cringe that poor guy....

[sunhuntin]

Please Please Please remove your singature I thought it was to do with this topic and it made me cringe that poor guy....

nup... im envisioning a certain someones member pegged up like that.

edit: besides, if i have ta look at tits and pussy from you guys, then a bit of cock and balls isnt bad. just tick the box on your side to stop all nudity from appearing.

[Mastaphata]

Hi again,i know im just the newbie on here but have been reading this thread with great interest.I was hoping for some response from riders in the know as to my thoughts on who should be held accountable to this farce.Its my understanding that in all forms of motorsport in this country its the Clerk of Course or Stewards of the day to make sure the rules are enforced.Should the question now be put to M.N.Z of the ability of the C.O.C and steward on the day as it seems to me they were to gutless to enfoce the rules

[slowpoke]

Shawn Giles broke his pelvis after he'd finished racing here. Or are you talking of another injury?

Robbie Bugden finished 3th in the Australian SB before he took the title here. Andrew Stroud came 4th in the ASB that year.

Why not make NZ a round of the Aus Superbikes at Hampdon downs?

You're absolutely right re Bugden/Giles, Garry....all that "crack" has finally had an effect on what's left of my brain, pity it was sooner rather than later.

The Oz Superbikes have an on again/off again relationship with Wanneroo in Western Australia as it is so expensive to travel across the country, Hampdon Downs may well be a cheaper option, although obviously still expensive. Having seen them in action in WA it's an awesome show, be great to see 'em here on what looks like a better track.

[McJim]

Remember the names of the petty unsporting cheating bastards and then out them when you're rich and famous.

Vengeance is best served cold.

[GSVR]

Before the years out I wanna say sorry to James for posting off topic on his thread.

Stuff like this distracts you from your racing and subliminally wears you down over a period of time or if your Craig Shirriffs it probably makes you more determined.

Good luck with the Nationals next year. Your effectively racing your first year against guys that have all been around like forever so the results your've got so far are pretty impressive. Just remember one DNF takes about 3 wins to catch up. Ride consistantly and you will be surprised. Just my 2cents.

[merv]

Remember the names of the petty unsporting cheating bastards and then out them when you're rich and famous.

Vengeance is best served cold.

Mate it this something Tim Shadbolt could help with by putting an ad in the papers or something? He'd be a friend of yours by now wouldn't he?

[jellywrestler]

You're joking right? If Brian Bernard is doing so much for the sport then why is it at such a low ebb? At the last North island Nationals round I went to, on a fine day, there were only about a dozen competitors in the Superbike class, 2 of which were from Oz, and 2 guys were on seriously outclassed machinery making up the numbers so to speak (no disrespect meant) leaving a grand total of 8 reasonably serious competitiors from throughout NZ.

Brian is fostering overseas riders not NZ riders. this is very dissapointing. brians team over the years has featured many kiwis shirriffs, dennis charlett karl morgan etc. trouble is they move on to individual rides where someone can afford to pay them more than brian and his team. brians bought a lot up to speed and then lost out when theyre there. bernard racing has the backing of yamaha and they want results. brian who is a personal friend could'nt see any riders that had the potential to be front runners whom didn't already have good rides and so chose to import some. great for the sport really as these guys set something to aim for both on our tracks and also often give us an indication of where we'd fit in overseas, help others with set ups and often our locals link up overseas with these guys to further their careers. brian and kc bernard provide us with a wonderful professional side to the sport. please respect them more. also ask brian for a place on his team and/or some coaching too, remember he was a top rider and could be at the beach with his family now instead he's putting together the biggest and most proffesional team we have here, the hours and money this team put in are incredible.

We have no riders competing in WSBK or MotoGP or any realistic prospects.

We have no live TV coverage and delayed coverage is heavily edited/condensed.

Our premier championship was won by an Australian privateer.

Can things seriously get any worse???!!!

long live bernard racing

[Toast]

Another rule change this year I didn't know about was the Grid for the second race in each class was based on Qualifying not your finish in the first race. So if you qualified bad and get up through the field for a good result in race 1 you have to do it all again in race 2.

No, you got a new grid spot for the second race based on your first race...at least for me in Formula Wanganui.