MMMMM what next !!

[HenryDorsetCase]

MDU said it right when he said speed doesnt kill, sudden stops do.

The BIG LIE being told to you by politicians is that you will be safer because ipso facto anyone exceeding an arbitrarily dictated velocity is worse than a murderer or child molester. If speed kills, how come Helen didnt die when she was being convoyed from Waimate to Christchurch at warp 9?

What I object to is that New Zealand drivers generally are fucking dangerous at ANY speed, let alone 100kph.

I am going to purchase a radar detector, and a jammer, if I get my shit together enough to do so before they become unlawful.

Fuck Helen, and fuck Harry Dickshovin.

[swbarnett]

Speed Kills, End of story!

I totally disagree and so do many others. The laws of physics also disagree. Even the NZ road toll stats don't support this (many more people speed than get killed).

You're not pissing me off by just saying something I disagree with. Hell, I'd be permanently pissed off it this were the case. And I'd be bored out of my brain if we all agreed all the time. What I object to is governments restricting my freedoms based on bad science.

Do a search on this site and you'll find this discussion has come up before. Might make for some enlightening reading.

[huck farley]

Well all I have to say on the matter is Labour has shot themselves in the foot yet again.

Come November they will be out on there arse, and will be cringing for making not only this dumb law abolishing radar detectors.

The child spanking is another one they supported of the X dole bludger Sue Bradford.

But really when you look at alternatives. We have a piss poor lot in the beehive!! I wouldn't trust any of the bastards with my life savings, would you?

We want a bloke like Piggy or Big Norm to sort out this mess.

This latest stunt they have pulled of banning Radar detectors, over the next three years, and the revenue the bastards are going to cop in doing so in my book is the the last straw!!

Some smart dude should get in Nationals ear and make them promise they will rescind the banning of Radar detector devices. As there must be thousands of them out there aye?

I think it's Bye Bye Helen and your band of tea laves (thieves) come November if not before.
Happy new year to everyone.
Cheers Huckleberry Farley

[Timber020]

Id like to know what kind of search the police are allowed to do to find the offending device, surely the read they get off the radar guns detector detector isnt going to be enough give out demerits. (as it could be coming from other cars in the vacinity) There are detectors that the cops cant pick up. I think one of the Bels come out on top, I would look these up.
THe good news is, the police currently use there radar and laser knowing there are so many detectors around, so they are more careful to use them in ways that they are harder to be picked up by those detectors. Once most people drop em, the cops will be more lax in how they use them.

[FJRider]

The goverment is basiclly MAJORITY rule. With the majority making the rules."WE" elect people we trust to make decisions / laws on "OUR" behalf,for our benefit.To protect us from potential harm. Perhaps a KB political party...oldrider for PM ...Take a poll on that ???

[awayatc]

The goverment is basiclly MAJORITY rule. With the majority making the rules."WE" elect people we trust to make decisions / laws on "OUR" behalf,for our benefit.To protect us from potential harm. Perhaps a KB political party...oldrider for PM ...Take a poll on that ???

He would get in for sure.......
That would be something new, a whif of common sense(sort off ) in the beehive....He would get my vote for starters.....

[Banesto John]

Id like to know what kind of search the police are allowed to do to find the offending device, surely the read they get off the radar guns detector detector isnt going to be enough give out demerits. (as it could be coming from other cars in the vacinity) There are detectors that the cops cant pick up. I think one of the Bels come out on top, I would look these up.
THe good news is, the police currently use there radar and laser knowing there are so many detectors around, so they are more careful to use them in ways that they are harder to be picked up by those detectors. Once most people drop em, the cops will be more lax in how they use them.

It amuses me when people drag the old revenue collecting argument out.

The person most able to avoid donating revenue to the Govt coffers is the person speeding, not wearing the seatbelt etc. If they don't wanna donate, don't break the law.

The other issue is that when the detector ban kicks in, most fines are being reduced to a far smaller amount, but demerit points are going up. For example, seatbelt tickets, currently costing $150 and nil demerits, will be changing to $50 and 25 demerits.

What say those about revenue collecting ? Clearly the revenue is going down, so maybe the real motive behind enforcement is road safety, especially from the village idiots too lazy to wear a very basic thing like a seatbelt.

Muse on this : what sort of fool buys a $150 000 BMW car packed with every safety device known to man, then chooses to leave his seatbelt off, negating all the safety things he just paid a fortune for?

Must get off my soap box.

[Delphinus]

It amuses me when people drag the old revenue collecting argument out.

The person most able to avoid donating revenue to the Govt coffers is the person speeding, not wearing the seatbelt etc. If they don't wanna donate, don't break the law.

Thats not really the issue. Most of us obey reasonable laws. We don't steal other peoples gear, we don't kill other people.
But we disagree with the law saying that 99km/h is safe and you cannot hurt anyone or yourself, but the instant you are doing 105 you are speeding and therefore are a killer.
Its been said over and over again, education is a far better means of lowering the road toll. An alert biker riding within their limits at 120 is far safer than an idiot driving at 95 and not looking, not indicating, not being aware.

[The Pastor]

Its just a trick to get more people using public transport, more demerit (FFS 75 in one go is just not right) = more ppl losing licence = more people taking the buss.

I know for a fact that my 15yr old bike handles perfectly at 150-180+ (curent bike is limited to 180)km/hr ON THE PUBLIC ROAD.

I have not killed anyone, and i am not dead.

Its not speed that kills, it's the lack of skill.

[Aitch]

Surely the issue here is not whether or not we speed, it's that the government is pushing through its usual social engineering legislation as quietly as it can and as quickly as it can in the knowledge that it will be out of power at the next election, and also in the knowledge that the National government will not have the time nor the the inclination to reverse all of it.
The cynical way in which this socialist mob has foisted its agenda on us is shameful.
A classic example of a third term government!

[J_P]

I thought that the governments main intention was to slow people down, and using speed cameras as an example, they make their presence aware as often as possible with speed camera signs, etc. Didn't they get rid of completely hidden cameras altogether because they had no effect on slowing the traffic down?!

If a driver with a radar detector slows down due to the detector, isn't that the same result? They will be aware of the presence of the police and drive accordingly... Within the limit, which keeps the traffic flow within the limit. Shouldn't the gov't be happy with that?

My friend with a detector is a good cautious driver and generally drives within the limits, occasionally on a passing lane he will do 120ish to clear traffic. The point I am making, is that just because he has a detector, he does not drive like a mainiac, it just allows him to err on the side of caution when it is activated.
Now he will get demerit points and a fine for being cautious. Demerit points are far worse than a fine so a good deterant, sure. But I hardly think carrying a detector in a car warrants a penalty at all.

The gov't would be far better putting their efforts into improving licensing requirements, or putting a restriction on the amount of power a new cage driver has at their mercy.

[RiderInBlack]

If the cops are gonna pull someone over then I think they would go more so after people doing 130+ rather than someone doing 115 in a passing manouvere.

Anyway, it does not matter what I say in this forum after all, cos some one is always gonna frikkin say I am wrong...probably someone who has shit loads of speeding tickets...

Speaking as someone that has had his share of speeding tickets as a long distance tourer, yes I do think ya fu*ken wrong. Nearly all my tickets have been in the 111-116kph bracket in the last 5years on the open road. All have been on open road with little or no traffic on the road with me. So yes I do run a radar detector now, and yes I will keep using it. I will just have ta put it some where they can't spot it easily and then see if their Radar Detector Detectors really work.

Sorry but as far as I am concerned we have been conned into the belief that any speed over the posted limits in any conditions is deadly. What a load on BS. By the way I do ride to the conditions and change my speed accordingly (those that have riding with me will know that). Sometimes this means speeding up. This especially applies ta overtaking. I will not stay too long in the on-coming lane just ta risk getting killed trying ta keep the law happy.

[Delphinus]

Speaking as someone that has had his share of speeding tickets as a long distance tourer, yes I do think ya fu*ken wrong. Nearly all my tickets have been in the 111-116kph bracket in the last 5years on the open road. All have been on open road with little or no traffic on the road with me. So yes I do run a radar detector now, and yes I will keep using it. I will just have ta put it some where they can't spot it easily and then see if their Radar Detector Detectors really work.

Same here on all counts.
Detector has only saved me when doing between 111-118, in clear open roads.
Or times when I've been going to overtake but it warned me not to.

[Ixion]

A mate called in for a chat and a beer. He informs me that the the Speed detector bill went through parliament. And is now law. I think he said it will be enforced within the next month or so.

Impossible. The House rose on the 18th December, the date of the last order paper. The next sitting is not until 12th Februaruy. Nice long holidays these representicritters take.

And the banning of detectors could not be done as a Rule (which only requires Ministerial approval).

What has happened is that cabinet (*NOT* Parliament) have agreed on what changes they want. They still have to convince parliament (not, admittedly, that that is likely to be difficult given the drongos we have there).

But is is most certainly NOT law at present.

[huck farley]

Muse on this : what sort of fool buys a $150 000 BMW car packed with every safety device known to man, then chooses to leave his seatbelt off, negating all the safety things he just paid a fortune for?

Must get off my soap box.

You just Muse on this then mate. I had a head on with a stock truck and trailer back in July 95 I was driving my works van to Matamata to do a job. When this Fukin great Juggernaut came around the bend on my side of the road. There was no time to do anything instinctively I just dived across the the passenger side of the van It all happened in a Flash.

I lost a leg and the use of one arm as a result. I got taken to the Waikato hospital and was in ITU for ten days. To cut a long story very short. The driver of the Truck had gone to sleep at the wheel. I was told he had done
17 hours straight.

The cop that interviewed me said by not wearing a seat belt in this instance saved your life. If I had have been wearing one I would have been crushed and killed. I was in Hospital for four and a half months.