Other bikers you want to "knock" sense into

[Ixion]

All you liberals and no-helmet-brigaders please fill you boots, but I just wish you wouldn't expect other people to pay for your idiocy when the time comes, and it's a'commin boys! No one expects to crash. Right! Uh-oh...

I don't. I pay very heavily every year toward the common fund that pays for misfortunes.

I would be very happy to be able to opt out of these compulsary premiums.When I am able to do so , and if I fail to make alternative arrangements, then , and only then, will you be entitled to pompously bleat about "other people paying".

[toycollector10]

Smoke cigarettes or better still cigars, make sure you inhale deeply, do 100 kph in a 50 kph zone, don't wear your helmet or other kit, have unprotected sex with Zimbabwean prostitutes, base-jump with a parachute bought off trademe, live the life of a rebel dude, you owe it to yourself...just don't expect the tax payer to pick up your sorry ar*se. Do you have health insurance. No, you don't, do you. So fill your boots son, I pay my taxes and I will patch you up but I won't be the one wiping your a*se.

[Bikernereid]

Well said!!

Smoke cigarettes or better still cigars, make sure you inhale deeply, do 100 kph in a 50 kph zone, don't wear your helmet or other kit, have unprotected sex with Zimbabwean prostitutes, base-jump with a parachute bought off trademe, live the life of a rebel dude, you owe it to yourself...just don't expect the tax payer to pick up your sorry ar*se. Do you have health insurance. No, you don't, do you. So fill your boots son, I pay my taxes and I will patch you up but I won't be the one wiping your a*se.

[Ixion]

,,. Do you have health insurance. No, you don't, do you. So fill your boots son, I pay my taxes and I will patch you up but I won't be the one wiping your a*se.

As a matter of fact, yes I do. And I also pay my taxes , and I suspect very possibly a good deal more than you do. And get very little at all in exchange , I might add.

And when you get to my age, if you have still never made any call on the health or ACC systems, then come to me and I might be more impressed with your whining.

[Headbanger]

Smoke cigarettes or better still cigars, make sure you inhale deeply, do 100 kph in a 50 kph zone, don't wear your helmet or other kit, have unprotected sex with Zimbabwean prostitutes, base-jump with a parachute bought off trademe, live the life of a rebel dude, you owe it to yourself...just don't expect the tax payer to pick up your sorry ar*se. Do you have health insurance. No, you don't, do you. So fill your boots son, I pay my taxes and I will patch you up but I won't be the one wiping your a*se.

So, You wouldn't even ride a Motorcycle then?

After all, Shit can happen, and the taxpayer would have to pay.

Or are you just full of shit?

[toycollector10]

I'm now reduced to name calling. Ixion, you are a pompous git. Get over yourself. The world is full of you "right to do what I want to do" morons. The disease has spread from the USA. It looks to me as if you have obtained your opinions off some bulletin board somewhere and that you are educated beyond your own natural intelligence. Stand back, take a deep breath and reconsider your position.

[Hitcher]

Entertaining as this is, could participants endeavour to avoid the temptation of resorting to cheap personal attacks in their efforts to score points. Thank you.

[Ixion]

I'm now reduced to name calling. Ixion, you are a pompous git. Get over yourself. The world is full of you "right to do what I want to do" morons. The disease has spread from the USA. It looks to me as if you have obtained your opinions off some bulletin board somewhere and that you are educated beyond your own natural intelligence. Stand back, take a deep breath and reconsider your position.

I do not demand the "right to do what I want to do". But I do explicitly demand the right not to be forced , by you, to do only what YOU want to do. And I equally emphatically deny your assertion that you should have the right to force your own opinions and preferences onto the rest of the world, and to set your own prejudices up as an authority higher than law.

You are liberty, within the law, to make your own decisions for yourself. Yet you would deny that to anyone else (unless, of course, they happen to completely agree with you).

I know not whether to be the more amazed at your presumption, your stupidity, or your arrogance. I do know that I reject all of them.

[motorbyclist]

The cotton wool producers will love you.

might be a good time to invest in bubble wrap too

The trouble is that their over protected at a younger age so when they are allowed to operate a motor vehicle they let loose with no appreciation of their own fragility.

I witnessed a teacher telling their students off for climbing a tree because it was dangerous. This is seriously counter-productive to any degree of long term safety, how else are they going to learn?

i remember being allowed to climb the row of macrocarpas at my primary school. endless amusement and surprisingly few injuries. that school is the only school i've seen to allow anything of the sort and good on them for it


but back onto the subject at hand, could one not propose that those wallies wearing next to nothing will soon learn their lesson? for the sake of everyone else's health/lives i'd rather them hoon on a bike than in a car

[Usarka]

People should be able to do what the fuck they like as long as it doesn't impact on others, and/or isn't illegal.

Don't use ACC as the excuse for controlling peoples lives.


FFS, if no one got injured in this country then 200,000 people would be out of jobs.

[FilthyLuka]

"right to do what I want to do"

I think the idea was "right to do what i want to myself." Its my body after all... aint it?

[Bass]

I think the idea was "right to do what i want to myself." Its my body after all... aint it?

Yes it is.
But I don't want to pay to get you repaired again, when you stuff up.
However, with the law the way it is at the moment, I do have to pay.

Now paradoxically, I actually don't mind that too much because with the law (ACC) as it stands, if I so choose, I can do myself some real mischief and provided that I did not intend to (i.e. it is an accident) then the rest of you lot have to pay to get me repaired. I actually think that's kinda cool.

But, you see, in reality I prefer not to damage myself and so you don't pay to get me repaired (or not much and not often anyway). That being the case, (and this is where Ixion/Usarka and I diverge), I would much prefer that you took better care of yourself, so that I don't have to pay as much as I currently do.

[FilthyLuka]

Yes it is.
But I don't want to pay to get you repaired again, when you stuff up.
However, with the law the way it is at the moment, I do have to pay.

Now paradoxically, I actually don't mind that too much because with the law (ACC) as it stands, if I so choose, I can do myself some real mischief and provided that I did not intend to (i.e. it is an accident) then the rest of you lot have to pay to get me repaired. I actually think that's kinda cool.

But, you see, in reality I prefer not to damage myself and so you don't pay to get me repaired (or not much and not often anyway). That being the case, (and this is where Ixion/Usarka and I diverge), I would much prefer that you took better care of yourself, so that I don't have to pay as much as I currently do.

very good point....

Hmm, this gots me a thinking. I have a job and pay taxes like the next guy, if i bail and break something, you lot pay to have me fixed, if you bail, the rest of us pay to have you fixed... So it kinda works no?

But all in all, the tax payer doesn't give the money directly to the fool who crashed, do they? Our taxes are payed regularly, regardless of how many people crash.

So really, this isn't a thread about people not wearing gear and needing a good talking to (which it was meant to be), but instead its effectively about how we all hate fucking taxes... And i think the idea is that if people wore gear, hurt themselves less, we would pay less taxes, and i highly doubt that...

Get what im saying? cause i sure as hell dont

p.s: taxes suck

[swbarnett]

I would much prefer that you took better care of yourself, so that I don't have to pay as much as I currently do.

Take this out of context or not in a legal sense and I'd agree with you. However, you can't consider this without also considering the legal implications of such a stand. Translate this into law and ALL "dangerous" activities become illegal (including motorcycling in whatever form).

The true cost of this stand in the long term when it gets in to law is a complete uniformity among people and a complete lack of anything even vaguely risky.

We are genetically programmed to take risks (Eskimos hunted in seas that most in the west would consider suicidal simmply because if they didn't they wouldn't eat) and no law can remove this.

What we must respect is that some people require more risk than others in order to stay sane. It is not for one individual to impose their personal risk level on others.

[Ixion]

Yes it is.
But I don't want to pay to get you repaired again, when you stuff up.
However, with the law the way it is at the moment, I do have to pay.

Now paradoxically, I actually don't mind that too much because with the law (ACC) as it stands, if I so choose, I can do myself some real mischief and provided that I did not intend to (i.e. it is an accident) then the rest of you lot have to pay to get me repaired. I actually think that's kinda cool.

But, you see, in reality I prefer not to damage myself and so you don't pay to get me repaired (or not much and not often anyway). That being the case, (and this is where Ixion/Usarka and I diverge), I would much prefer that you took better care of yourself, so that I don't have to pay as much as I currently do.

But, those who you say do not take care of themselves might turn that same argument right backa t you. Miss Bopper on her little scooter might point out that she does not wear all the Magic Gear. But she might also point out that , unlike her, you ride a very fast powerful motorcycle. Unlike her you also ride a motorcycle off road, which has a far greater risk of injury than riding around town (probably less serious injury, admittedly). Miss Bopper might well say that you are not taking responsibility for taking care of yourslef: and that you should ride a machine of less than 250cc and stick to the roads. Because why should Miss Bopper have to pay to have you fixed up if you come off the DR on a gravel road ? (And Miss Bopper does pay her share, just the same as you).

Everybody has their own idea of what is wise and what is foolishness. That Miss Bopper assigns different priorities does not make her wrong (or you wrong, either).

That is the whole point of something like ACC. It makes no judgements about what people do.

The biggest cost factor in ACC motorcycling premiums is quite certainly sprotsbikes. The single most effective way to reduce them so everyone pays less: all you buggers stop crashing so often.