Why should I give warranty in private sale when buyer did not want to pay for it?

[PrincessBandit]

What ever you decide to do it needs to be an arrangement that, at the end of the day, you can be happy with. i.e. if you decide to continue going the extra distance for this guy and he continues to be a prat then you've gone into it eyes wide open. I think you sound extremely nice and living out the principle that ideally we treat others as we'd like them to treat us. Unfortunately lots of people only want that to be a one-way street (with them as the sole benefactors!). It's a precendent you can use for other purchasers who decline the warranty offer - either insist on it or stick to your guns about not doing extra work if they come back. As long as you sold the item in working order I don't see how they can remotely come back whinging. Caveat emptor???

[JimO]

having thought about it i would say the easiest thing to do would be to give him the bike back forget about the $$ and tell him not to darken your doorstep again is the grief worth it for $80 he may be shamed into paying

[P38]

So here is the scenario: I sold a small bike to a chap. I had a set price and told him that, as I am decent and I try to get all bikes to a standard so that I would buy them my self for the price, the price included a "back to me" warranty for any major issues he would have in a 1 - 2 months time.

He did not want to pay my price, but came up with the idea that if I sold it cheeper he would sort any issues out him self. Reluctlantly I agreed. And after he had been to my place and had a test ride he happily picked her up and paid.

Yep, you guessed it... 2 weeks later I am contacted and he has a problem. He recognises the fact that he did not pay the extra money, but asks if I would still be prepared to sort it out, as he is not up to it. After clearly explaining that this would have been covered if he had paid the extra money I agree to have a look.

The bike turns up and I have a look. First I notice is that the tank is empty...reason it does not start! But there is also another problem. I fix it and she now runs sweet. The bits I used I would have sold s/h for about $50. I spent 4 hours sorting her out.

I contact him and say: "All sorted. Cost you $80". He is not happy, recon I should have fixed for free!!

I give him the comparison about a theft insurance, where you are offered one but decide not to take it. Then when you have the item stolen you can hardly go back to the insurance company and say: "Hey, I had it stolen, I now want a replacement as you offered the insurance, but I refused..."

He has not been back to pick her up yet, but I am wondering what the outcome will be?

As it was a private sale there is no Consumers Guarantee Act etc. that covers it. Just me being a decent sort of guy.

Comments?

Park it safely in your shed.
Send him a registered letter outlining your original contract and the cost of the repairs and include the daily cost of storage.

Advise him that you will be forced to sell it to recoup your costs if he does not pay within a reasonable amount of time.

And stop being so "Fu*ken NICE"!!!

[Conquiztador]

And stop being so "Fu*ken NICE"!!!

Lol. Not always been this Fu*ken nice...

OK, so now I have heard back from him. He had this to say:
He reconed that I should have had the issues sorted before I sold the bike to him! He also tells me that he only got 14 days use outta it before he had the problem. He does not have the $$'s to pay the $80.

So he wanted me to give him the money back and keep the bike...right.

When that went down like a led balloon with me his second option was for me to sell the bike again and take the $80 from the sale price and give him the rest...right.

In the end he agreed to try and find the $80 and come to pick her up. So I will keep her here and wait for the $$'s. Once that is done I will wash my hands from this and move on.

And perhaps there is merit in a piece of paper stating:

We both agree that this bike XXXX S/N XXXXX is sold on a AIWI scenario.

Need to consider that.

[Conquiztador]

having thought about it i would say the easiest thing to do would be to give him the bike back forget about the $$ and tell him not to darken your doorstep again is the grief worth it for $80 he may be shamed into paying

Did cross my mind. But I just hate to be and agreeing to it...

[Conquiztador]

fit for purpose..??

The purpose: To get from A to B and back once a day (From home to work and back). When in working condition it does this well. (Functioned for 14 days w/o a problem).

[crazybigal]

people like that get on my tits!!!
want everything for nothing!! you should have told the muppet to bugger off!
empty tank? is this guy for real???
your way too nice mate.

[boomer]

The purpose: To get from A to B and back once a day (From home to work and back). When in working condition it does this well. (Functioned for 14 days w/o a problem).

I know the purpose and so did he by the looks of things. The problem is how fit it was or .... in this case wasn't for that purpose.


Still.. there's one born every minute; it just seems that two came together on this occasion

[Conquiztador]

I know the purpose and so did he by the looks of things. The problem is how fit it was or .... in this case wasn't for that purpose.


Still.. there's one born every minute; it just seems that two came together on this occasion

Interesting look at the issue. This is why I include a warranty in the price, just in case something unforseen goes wrong. But this guy did not want the warranty, he wanted to save that cost and was confident he could fix anything him self.

And after all, he bought a s/h bike with s/h bike issues. If he expected to get a bike that acts like a new one, then he should have purchased a new one. Well, that is how I look at it. Any s/h bikes (or cages) I have purchased (actually never bought a new one in my whole life...) I take the full responsibility after I have paid and she is mine. In particular when purchased from a private person.

And just remind me who you are when you one day come knocking on my door wanting to buy a bike, so that I can provide you with the right reply.

[sidecar bob]

The guy is clearly a broken ass, Usually people with no money try that shit on,
Tell him the bill is $180, but seeing as youre such a good cunt he can have it for $100, & if he argues, up it goes back to $180

[YellowDog]

So here is the scenario: I sold a small bike to a chap. I had a set price and told him that, as I am decent and I try to get all bikes to a standard so that I would buy them my self for the price, the price included a "back to me" warranty for any major issues he would have in a 1 - 2 months time.

He did not want to pay my price, but came up with the idea that if I sold it cheeper he would sort any issues out him self. Reluctlantly I agreed. And after he had been to my place and had a test ride he happily picked her up and paid.

Yep, you guessed it... 2 weeks later I am contacted and he has a problem. He recognises the fact that he did not pay the extra money, but asks if I would still be prepared to sort it out, as he is not up to it. After clearly explaining that this would have been covered if he had paid the extra money I agree to have a look.

The bike turns up and I have a look. First I notice is that the tank is empty...reason it does not start! But there is also another problem. I fix it and she now runs sweet. The bits I used I would have sold s/h for about $50. I spent 4 hours sorting her out.

I contact him and say: "All sorted. Cost you $80". He is not happy, recon I should have fixed for free!!

I give him the comparison about a theft insurance, where you are offered one but decide not to take it. Then when you have the item stolen you can hardly go back to the insurance company and say: "Hey, I had it stolen, I now want a replacement as you offered the insurance, but I refused..."

He has not been back to pick her up yet, but I am wondering what the outcome will be?

As it was a private sale there is no Consumers Guarantee Act etc. that covers it. Just me being a decent sort of guy.

Comments?

You are a very decent guy and if what you have described is correct, you should tell this piss taker to pay up or you will take your parts back. 4 Hours labour, petrol, and parts. He's having a laugh at your expense.

[scracha]

You've given this guy a better service than most car and motorcycle dealers. Tell him if he wants more help he can go forth and multiply.

[Conquiztador]

Right. It is all sorted.

After a few beers and some thinking I came to the conclusion jimjim came to. (Yeah I know...) He is a young guy with young mates. He clearly felt I was ripping him off. And there is always a big chance it will escalate. And I am too old for that sheit. (Been there done that when younger).

So I rang him up and told him to come and pick it up and not to bother me again.

He turns up with his dad (I assume), they loaded the bike up and he says: "Have a good un"... So sorry jimjim, he did obviously not read your suggestion. But I was never expecting it anyhow.

So he is outta my hair and life goes on.

But there is always a lesson (or two) in everything:
- The AIWI stands out here clearly.
- A note signed by both agreeing on what the sale includes is on the agenda.
- Also in writing that the buyer had an opportunity to see the bike and is happy with what he buys is worth considering.
- Estimated repair price BEFORE work is started and agreed upon is a must.

[P38]

Right. It is all sorted.

After a few beers and some thinking I came to the conclusion jimjim came to. (Yeah I know...) He is a young guy with young mates. He clearly felt I was ripping him off. And there is always a big chance it will escalate. And I am too old for that sheit. (Been there done that when younger).

So I rang him up and told him to come and pick it up and not to bother me again.

He turns up with his dad (I assume), they loaded the bike up and he says: "Have a good un"... So sorry jimjim, he did obviously not read your suggestion. But I was never expecting it anyhow.

So he is outta my hair and life goes on.

But there is always a lesson (or two) in everything:
- The AIWI stands out here clearly.
- A note signed by both agreeing on what the sale includes is on the agenda.
- Also in writing that the buyer had an opportunity to see the bike and is happy with what he buys is worth considering.
- Estimated repair price BEFORE work is started and agreed upon is a must.

Too Bloody Nice!

The little shit probally dont even know how good a deal he got.

[Conquiztador]

Too Bloody Nice!

The little shit probally dont even know how good a deal he got.

Yep, agree. But I can easily live with my decision.

And here a little story: My sister-in-law used to work in a restaurant many years ago. She told me stories regarding what happened in the kitchen to peoples free replacement meals who complained and requested a new one... (No, you do not want to know). Let me just tell you that I have never complained about a meal in a restaurant again. Ever!! In fact I have a very respectful attitude towards anyone in the service industry who is able to touch anything that is mine when I am not able to keep an eye on them...