Running out of lean

[Finn]

i am hanging off as much as i can. Trying to minimalise how much i'm leaning the bike over.

Try this... next time you're on the lean limit, grab a handful of front brake with WOT, thus freeing up the load on the rear suspension. You'll find the bike will naturally lean much further.

Thank me later.

[enigma51]

Try this... next time you're on the lean limit, grab a handful of front brake with WOT, thus freeing up the load on the rear suspension. You'll find the bike will naturally lean much further.

Thank me later.

what he said

[FROSTY:Me]

Ok you did ask.
1)what Devil said re suspension -except thats a cop out you arent good enough to use.
2) you have one mouth and two ears --figure out why!!
You were offered some good advice at TD6 but chose not to listen.
3) you are the most erratic rider I have seen at a track day. Basicly you dont need all that lean angle you are worried about.--its the erratic nature of your riding you need to work on.

On that basis do the following
1) throw the fucking stopwatch as far away as you possibly can.
2) STOP trying to beat other people -its counter productive to trying to beat THE TRACK which is what you need to do..
3) every session SLOW DOWN-Tell yourself to do so.
Now you can focus on one or two corners round the track.
Get a good line in,turn smoothly, get a good driving line out.
DO NOT try to go fast-- focus on SMOOTH and consistant.
If you CAN't figure out a particular corner then focus on another one. Come back in at end of session and SHUT THE FUCK UP-Go to the pit wall and watch people on similar bikes to yours -see how they tackle that corner.
I bet you $100 if you do that you will end up not scraping ya bike so much and you once you finally--many sessions later grab that stopwatch again go a fair bit faster.

[jrandom]

What Frosty said.

Not that you're going to listen, and not that it matters, because you'll have forgotten it entirely by the time you eventually get a bike to ride...

[onearmedbandit]

Heard tales of riders on touring bikes out-cornering sportsbikes that are fully scraping before. Generally turns out the touring bike rider is an ex-racer or similar, who actually knows about how to set a bike up for a corner. Not just chuck the thing in at the last minute. As Frosty said Mark, listen to advice given to you.

[scracha]

I have a problem...i can hang off my bike like mad and I'm still not scraping fairings.....nor alternator cover whilst riding......both at the track and on the road.......and blah blah blah......can someone give my rear an adventure.

<---snip--->

i have scraped my arse on the ground before so please be gentle with me.

i have done the whole try kiss my own ass thing also.

I don't really want anybody's advice either....I know it all already. I haven't thought of following the fast streetstock bikes around the track cos they don't lean over as much as me so they must be slow. Besides, they don't have USD forks.

As I do this sort of thing on the road it's maybe time I wrote my will.

[Crasherfromwayback]

yeah suspension could do with some work....

but i'm still running outta lean..... is it justy the bikes limits or what because i'm still about 4 seconds off a winning laptime to win streetstock....

i need 1:57's and i'm getting 2 min flats and 2 min 2 second laps....

so it's really not gunna cut it i just can't figure out what i'm doing wrong.

You're obviously riding like a homo.

[scracha]

It doesn't matter . You don't have a licence or a race licence so you wont be riding for ages anyhow.

I think he should go out and buy a GSXR1000. He's way too quick for his 250

[Kittyhawk]

Mark, what is it that you are trying to prove here? Soemthing for yourself or to others?

You are more than a capable rider, however you need to learn how to control the throttle, attitude and consideration for others on the track.

Why waste your time worrying about what that fucked up zxr can do? its over....

If you are serious about racing you'd do what I do, throw away the bikes, give up road riding because you are putting others at risk with your style, and start again from scratch.

Sure I can get my knee down on 600's thrash the shit outa them and ruin them mechanically...But I gave up road riding...

Im taking my style of stupidity to the track, just bought an FXR 150 (such a downgrade from my 600) But I want to develop my track riding, master my lines, and improve my riding skills in a different environment...but why? Only for myself because my road riding is too dangerous I have a thirst for speed and need to find a new adrenline fix.

[motorbyclist]

well, some very good advice there, so listen to it. brake later, gas harder, get better lines (so basically learn how to ride faster/properly) and stiffen your suspension up for the track seeing as you won't be on the road for a while

of course getting a bigger bike would help if it still qualified for the same class, but riding is only 10% bike and 90% rider

have fun

[yod]

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[motorbyclist]

just bought an FXR 150 (such a downgrade from my 600) But I want to develop my track riding, master my lines, and improve my riding skills in a different environment...but why? Only for myself because my road riding is too dangerous I have a thirst for speed and need to find a new adrenline fix.

haha, those fxr150s can still go pretty quick round the corners if you thrash them the right way

downgrading while i repaint my NC30 is probably all that's stood between me and serious injury/lixcence loss these last few months, and i know i'm becoming a better rider too

[Mr Skid]

3) you are the most erratic rider I have seen at a track day.

Have you forgotten about Mr Skid and the CBR250 triple R Moto-X Spec? :spudwave:

[skidMark]

Stop.

Brain on.

You're getting into a corner, the suspension is compressing with the weight of the bike, and the centripetal force due to cornering. This effectively lowers the ride height of the bike, making things scrape.

Fix the suspension so the ride height stays more constant and hey presto, nothing scraping.

Ok so i do that.... but i will still keep leaning until i run out of lean, so how can i be faster beyond that, it's not the scraping i couldnt care less it's once i'm right over i'm at the limits of the bikes cornering...so even if raised up...yes i will corner faster and be able to lean more...but i will push the lean until i'm scraping again, then what do i do?

upgrade the bike?, i'm just wondering if 250's do not get over to the same lean angles as a very modern 600? , being fully serious not trying to stir.

ever thought that 3 seconds may be from you braking to early and getting on the gas too late? just because your "leaning" doesnt mean shit if your braking to early

Yeah true i do need alot of practise tracktime wise but i want every advantage i can get.

[skidMark]

Ok you did ask.
1)what Devil said re suspension -except thats a cop out you arent good enough to use.
2) you have one mouth and two ears --figure out why!!
You were offered some good advice at TD6 but chose not to listen.
3) you are the most erratic rider I have seen at a track day. Basicly you dont need all that lean angle you are worried about.--its the erratic nature of your riding you need to work on.

On that basis do the following
1) throw the fucking stopwatch as far away as you possibly can.
2) STOP trying to beat other people -its counter productive to trying to beat THE TRACK which is what you need to do..
3) every session SLOW DOWN-Tell yourself to do so.
Now you can focus on one or two corners round the track.
Get a good line in,turn smoothly, get a good driving line out.
DO NOT try to go fast-- focus on SMOOTH and consistant.
If you CAN't figure out a particular corner then focus on another one. Come back in at end of session and SHUT THE FUCK UP-Go to the pit wall and watch people on similar bikes to yours -see how they tackle that corner.
I bet you $100 if you do that you will end up not scraping ya bike so much and you once you finally--many sessions later grab that stopwatch again go a fair bit faster.

Thanks for all that advice frosty i will put it into practise

at td6 i did take in a fair bit of advice which helped alot....Nicky and glen williams teaching me the line round the track was awesome and helped heaps....

and you told me to stop being a sissy and hang off, before i knew it i was getting knee down.

cheers for the help you guys it's appreciated greatly

Skid