super motards at the cemetery circuit

[Crasherfromwayback]

i would be under the impression that the club had the choice, they run the thing, and they run it as they see fit,

The thing is Scott...I've raced 250 proddie and 883's there too...and I know how frustrating it is from the road racers side of things. We have plenty of offroad/motard meetings we can do throughout the year...we don't need to hold things up for everyone else on Boxing day. Notice how sick of rugby everybody is getting?? Too much of a good thing is not the answer.

[scott411]

if the club wants to run a motard section, (and they obviously do) who are we to tell them no,

thier are alot of locals that seem to like it, i can think of 3 or 4 young guys from down their that ride motards, they do the work, they put the thing on, its up to them,

if someone from down the line rings me and tells me how to rung things at meeting i run, they get told the same thing, our meeting, our way, if you do not like it, don't come,

[Shaun]

if the club wants to run a motard section, (and they obviously do) who are we to tell them no,


WE ARE THE RIDERS AND FANS THAT PUT THE MONEY BACK INTO THE CLUB THAT RUNS THESE EVENTS!

thier are alot of locals that seem to like it, i can think of 3 or 4 young guys from down their that ride motards, they do the work, they put the thing on, its up to them,

if someone from down the line rings me and tells me how to rung things at meeting i run, they get told the same thing, our meeting, our way, if you do not like it, don't come,

Perhaps that is a reason why crowd attendance is so low at race tracks

[Crasherfromwayback]

if someone from down the line rings me and tells me how to rung things at meeting i run, they get told the same thing, our meeting, our way, if you do not like it, don't come,

You (they) won't have a meeting if all the other classes get the shits and don't bother turning up mate.

[Shaun]

You (they) won't have a meeting if all the other classes get the shits and don't bother turning up mate.

Again GOOD ON YA

It is about time the riders in this country stood together, and told these clubs what they want!

The 600 class alone, is over $ 1 Million dollars on the GRID

That is a dam serious buisness, not just a bloody game.

[scott411]

You (they) won't have a meeting if all the other classes get the shits and don't bother turning up mate.

if they (the club) get fucked off with the shit and can't be assed running the meeting anymore, then their will not be one either, same difference, same result,

[Shaun]

if they (the club) get fucked off with the shit and can't be assed running the meeting anymore, then their will not be one either, same difference, same result,

So just like any BUISNESS eh- If ya do not like what a customer says to you, would you kick them out of your shop? NO, Because that is your personell profit MONEY



Great attitude dude

If the club runs NO MEETINGS, there is NO CLUB!

And that CLUB would not get OWN buildings, from the profit made over the years from running meetings

[sunhuntin]

as a spectator and fan of most racing, i must say im not a fan of the motards. ok for one race, but not more than that. the dirt section is pretty interesting, but its too small... the corners got churned up pretty quick [after one or two laps] and that ends with riders ending up on their sides, which could end up in a serious injury by following riders.

as for spectators in the pits... i like walking the pits, but there needs to be set rules for non racers. like, defined "footpaths" that are roped off to keep viewers out of the middle of the road. i could see last year that some pedestrians were all over the damn show, getting in the way of those coming and going on bikes. bit like riding a bike down the middle of a shopping mall.

the pit set up for the burt challenge seems to work well... not sure exactly whats different, but at both teretonga and wyndham, i was able to walk through without nearly being run over by riders avoiding other pedestrians getting in their way. might be the fact that both sets of pits are HUGE... not all crammed down one road... they are spread out. wyndham covers a road, plus several large truck yards... so most pits are in those yards, with the road mainly for those who are getting ready for a race. [getting started etc]

im in two minds over whether im going to attend boxing day this year... after the way they screwed over trashy and the others over the grid positions last year.

[scott411]

So just like any BUISNESS eh- If ya do not like what a customer says to you, would you kick them out of your shop? NO, Because that is your personell profit MONEY

that is not a fair comparson,
if you ran your business like the Wangaui street race you would go hungry, because you would not get paid,

if the street race is run like a business (ie everyone got paid for their labour) the street race would have stopped years ago, cause it would loose shit loads every year.

what keeps it going is the passion and the pride of the wanganui MCC members that give up thier time and money to keep it going, that is why they get to choose how its run,

and the fact that it has kept been run for so long shows thier comitment,

[Shaun]

that is not a fair comparson,
if you ran your business like the Wangaui street race you would go hungry, because you would not get paid,

if the street race is run like a business (ie everyone got paid for their labour) the street race would have stopped years ago, cause it would loose shit loads every year.

what keeps it going is the passion and the pride of the wanganui MCC members that give up thier time and money to keep it going, that is why they get to choose how its run,

and the fact that it has kept been run for so long shows thier comitment,

I do agree with what you have said here- BUT I also agree with what a lot of others have said over time ie

I have written to them and got NO reply

I have emailed them and got NO reply etc etc etc

I know it takes a club to make a race - as I know it takes a racer/rider to make a club

I understand and FULLY appreciate what all the Day workers of the Club do for US ( ME X ) the riders And most of them would know how I feal about what they do for us

But SORRY, The Club is the on the FRONT line, and the powers that be, who'm manage this club, are open to out siders opinions and input, whether they like it or not, IT IS A PART OF JOB!

And now that we have the Internet, We can also do what we are now!

Arguing? Bitching? Fighting? Wanking? What ever

There are a lot of positives being said on here, that if people really do want change? Groth? that the market place also wants! and needs to grow! Then there is a shite load of info on this site alone, just to learn and grow.

I know I can say things, that come across as being very Direct/rude/Arrogant etc, NOTHING PERSONELL I am just very loud and direct- who is also very passionate about our sport- Other wise I too could just Fuck Off because of what people keep telling me, Via web sites, Email, phone calls bla bla bla

And I also GIVE AWAY more than I take from it dude, just like a Club?

[scott411]

i agree with everything you said in the above post, i like you are passionate about racing bikes, we have slighty different area's we enjoy, but the sole of it is about the same,

i have learnt in my just under 22 years plus in this sport, their are very few right and wrong answers, only peoples opinions, and they are very hard prove which person is right most of the time,

Arguing? Bitching? Fighting? Wanking? What ever

i call it more informed discussion, i know it gets a bit heated but thats what happens when you talk about what you are passionate about,

as for the reference from crasher about the 250 proddy and 883's, they got culled when the classes died thier natural death, you are talking about taking away a class which is growing ,

been an interesting discussion today thats for sure

[Crasherfromwayback]

as for the reference from crasher about the 250 proddy and 883's, they got culled when the classes died thier natural death, you are talking about taking away a class which is growing ,

been an interesting discussion today thats for sure

I only mentioned that meaning I've been there both as a tar baby and a 'motard' racer over many years. I think the organizers need to remember it IS a road racing event after all. I think it's unfair for the road racing classes that the motards get a seperate track...and I've not spoken to a SINGLE person that has thought the off road section adds anything as a spectacle.

[jellywrestler]

With the pits in the railway yard (i'm assuming this is near the off road section) my understanding is the start finish was always in the same place as it is now, so unless there was only 1/2 a lap warm up to get to the dummy grid rather than 1-1/2 laps, you wouldn't be saving much


cancel BEARs as it just becoming another motard class anyway and run 3 races per class

with the pits in the yards there's 1 1/2 laps warm up.
what about combining bears and posties and having no cross entering bears and super motards. they onl accepted cross entering after lack of entries in bears. thanks for you input

[jellywrestler]

if the club wants to run a motard section, (and they obviously do) who are we to tell them no,

thier are alot of locals that seem to like it, i can think of 3 or 4 young guys from down their that ride motards, they do the work, they put the thing on, its up to them,

if someone from down the line rings me and tells me how to rung things at meeting i run, they get told the same thing, our meeting, our way, if you do not like it, don't come,

the whole point of this thread is to find out what people want so a cross section of views can be put to the wanganui club to try and make it a better meet. i have been to 42 cemetery circuits and have noticed a serious undertone recently towards the meeting recently. much of it is emotions and pig headedness. i would like to hear honest reasonable arguments for and agianst the way the meeting is run with a view to trying to sort out a format that is catering for the people who go there., both riders and spectators serioss undertones do nothing helpful whereas heres a chance to get varied opinions and why people have these opinions to ensure the survival of the meeting.

[Kickaha]

the whole point of this thread is to find out what people want so a cross section of views can be put to the wanganui club to try and make it a better meet. i have been to 42 cemetery circuits and have noticed a serious undertone recently towards the meeting recently. much of it is emotions and pig headedness. i would like to hear honest reasonable arguments for and against the way the meeting is run with a view to trying to sort out a format that is catering for the people who go there., both riders and spectators serious undertones do nothing helpful whereas heres a chance to get varied opinions and why people have these opinions to ensure the survival of the meeting.

Personally from a riders point of view I find it very poor value for money, when I first raced there it was in post classic, this meant two races for the day and I'm done, Sidecars was better as we got three

Now Greymouth which is my favourite street race I get three no matter what class I race in and can cross enter all for $50, I've raced their and done 11 races using two bikes, yes it is a lot more low key and race distance is shorter but it was a hell of a lot more fun than Wanganui

Yeah Wanganui has all the wank behind it with its history and it also has prize money, but I don't think as an event it's all that great, I've experiened long delays on the dummy grid with no notification of what was happening, I've seen competitors get to the dummy grid issued their grid number and then told they didn't qualify and couldn't race, last year there was the whole qualifying thing with WT

I also emailed the club after my first time racing with some of my concerns and wasn't even given the courtesy of a reply