Busted? Help!

[scumdog]

this is great info, thanks heaps.
any more info like this anybody ?
or tales of people getting let off in court ? and how ?

I would check on how up-to-date and accurate the info given to you is...

[homer]

if 2 cars are in a speed camera pic
no fine is sent

ask to see if the cop has the paper work to show hes compient to us the radar

[scumdog]

This is how I've understood it - and if I'm mistaken please correct me resident police officers...

In Denmark they have video rigs in the cars and the video show the speed of the cop car, what is being targeted and the speed of the target. The video is evidence and can be used in court.

And if the cop car ain't actually moving?? (Like mine in 'ambush' mode).

[scumdog]

This isn't constructive, but when you had the chance you should've just slapped the damm radar gun off his hand and smashed it to pieces with your boots.

Now where's the evidence?

On the ground - for the intentional damage charge....$3,500 in reparation plus all the other 'sundry expenses'.

And where did he say the 'radar gun' was in anybodys hand????????

[FJRider]

Talk to a Lawyer, free legal advice (from citizens advice centers) or not, helps sort it in your head, what you action (if any) you should take. NOT BY WHAT THE BUSH LAWYERS ON THIS SITE MAY ADVISE, If you fight it...good luck. If you don't...you will find out who your friends are.

[tl_tub]

The DSR radar can pick out a 'fastest' target from two vehicles traveling in the beam, so can be used with multiple targets.
The DSR 2X isn't in use here so those comments aren't relevant.

OK, the facts about radar....

Police regularly use radar where multiple vehicles are potential targets.

They will then attempt to get a confession ; "why were you speeding, I clocked you at 142". Most of the time, your attempt at an explanation is as good as a confession.

Why it matters ?

Because the doppler shift radar the police use should not be used in multiple target situations. For technical reasons, not legal ones.

The basic thing being, it cannot identify its target. The cop has to guess. In fact, early models cant even tell which direction the target vehicle is travelling !

Accuracy. This depends on stationary or mobile mode. From the Stalker DSR 2X spec sheet it may typically be +1.6 - 3.2 km/hr in stationary mode. It claims +/- 3.2 km/hr in mobile mode.

These radar units claim to track up to 4 vehicles... they can certainly display the speed of 4 targets, but as they have no idea which target is which, you should defend this case, particularly if you made no admission of guilt.

More info on my web page http://www.eslnz.com/radar.html

[scumdog]

The DSR radar can pick out a 'fastest' target from two vehicles traveling in the beam, so can be used with multiple targets.
The DSR 2X isn't in use here so those comments aren't relevant.

Hmmm, mine has a label saying 'FASTEST" - and will lock two speeds.....one being the fastest surprisingly enough...but to be grammatical it should read 'faster' eh..

[tl_tub]

Well now there is no way he can dispute what ive said! Thanks SD

It could be 'faster' out of two targets, but how about 'fastest' out of multiples? Not sure sorry

Hmmm, mine has a label saying 'FASTEST" - and will lock two speeds.....one being the fastest surprisingly enough...but to be grammatical it should read 'faster' eh..

[jrandom]

You know, if this happened to me, I'd just kick myself for being an oblivious cunt, and suck it up.

You're not coming across very dignified, hospitalfood. Scrambling around trying to bullshit one's way out of a fair cop isn't how the game should be played, in my humble opinion.

No disrespect intended. I just wonder if maybe you should take a deep breath and look beyond this. Plead guilty, let it roll off your back, and get on with other things.

[Mikkel]

And if the cop car ain't actually moving?? (Like mine in 'ambush' mode).

What do you mean? Does it make a difference to the amount of recorded evidence whether you're having a doughnut break? (pardon my poor attempt at wit...)

Or are you implying that the danish cop cars have to be stationary to record video? That is not the case.


Am I incorrect to assume that the only thing that actually prevents you, as a police officer, from pulling some poor soul over and bagging them for doing 250 km/h are your own morals and integrity (and the car in question, it would have to be physically possible)?
The evidence presented in court in case of a disputed speeding ticket to support the enforcer would be the ticket and a logbook stating when the radar had been calibrated - is there anything else besides the enforcers testimony?

[MaxB]

I have a mate who is a policman in a country that has camera patrol cars. He says they are fairly unpopular in the local force because the bosses have reduced staffing to 1 officer per car (not a problem here) and the 'contacts' have to take place in front of the camera.

I am told the unit itself has a small monitor with a target box on the screen. The microwave unit is calibrated so that when a vehicle enters the box the displyed speed is correct. The recording is all that is required for a ticket.

Video here would cut down the number of he said/she said cases in court.

[spudchucka]

Video here would cut down the number of he said/she said cases in court.

Which works in two ways because it also exposes the lying twats that make vexatious complaints about honest hard working cops.

[scumdog]

Which works in two ways because it also exposes the lying twats that make vexatious complaints about honest hard working cops.

That's why we would like them in the EBA room (where we process drink-drivers).

I guess most of you have seen drunken idiots in the EBA room on 10/7 etc and seen how pathetic they are - well their lies later are just as bad.

A camera would wipe that out easily.

And as far as in-car videos go? Bring 'em on, my only regret would be I would not be able to release the resulting recordings on u-tube etc.

Of course the down side is the 'soft' cops wouldn't be able to knock any speed off/ignore offences when they pull somebody over....

But the public would be happy I'm sure, after all it's all 'on camera', up front, no bullshitting by the cops etc

[scumdog]

What do you mean?

Am I incorrect to assume that the only thing that actually prevents you, as a police officer, from pulling some poor soul over and bagging them for doing 250 km/h are your own morals and integrity (and the car in question, it would have to be physically possible)?
The evidence presented in court in case of a disputed speeding ticket to support the enforcer would be the ticket and a logbook stating when the radar had been calibrated - is there anything else besides the enforcers testimony?

The 'what do you mean' bit? - you mentioned in your earlier post on Denmark having video cameras in their Police vehicles about the patrol vehicle speed being recorded - I was just making comment the patrol vehicle is not always moving.

And yup, you pretty much summed it all up in your last paragraph.

[davereid]

The DSR radar can pick out a 'fastest' target from two vehicles traveling in the beam, so can be used with multiple targets.
The DSR 2X isn't in use here so those comments aren't relevant.

The DSR can display both the fastest target, and the strongest target.

But it can't tell which is which. And it can't even tell how far away the target it is displaying is.

Its not being anti-radar, anti-police or pro-speeder.

Its just the laws of physics.