Ticket culkture / safety culture?

[toebug]

And so helped by those so willing to donate...

So very true!

[Goblin]

The coppers are just revenue collecting! Its got nothing to do with road safety at all...

Some coppers are just simply revenue collecting. Mate of mine was pulled up the other night for doing 113 kph on the open road. It was 11.36pm(no traffic about) and the cop went back to his car, wrote out the ticket and handed it to my my mate. If he was serious about "safety" then why didn't he check over the bike or breath test my mate, or even ask him to take his helmet off to positively ID him?? That particular cop was only interested in revenue.

[civil]

They forget a crime is a crime whether it Burglary Speeding.

Correction. One of these has a victim, one of these do not. So there is a difference, can anyone spot it?

[Swoop]

...why didn't he check over the bike or breath test my mate, or even ask him to take his helmet off to positively ID him?? That particular cop was only interested in revenue.

But taking off the helmet and identifying the driver would be counter productive to those members of society who "might"* have two licences...

So, extrapolating this... the coppers could possibly get another ticket out of the same person at a later time on the "other" licence.

More revenue for looney labour's "dollars for votes" scheme!

*not that anyone would have two licences of course. That would be naughty. But exceedingly handy...

[Usarka]

They forget a crime is a crime whether it Burglary [or] Speeding.

is speeding a crime?

[Goblin]

Correction. One of these has a victim, one of these do not. So there is a difference, can anyone spot it?

Bit like possession of cannabis. Better lock the fuckers up...they're a danger to themselves!

Got a letter in the mail today from LTNZ to tell me I have a few demerit points, with a sad story of a student nurse who was killed by a speeding car driver. One of the tickets was for doing 90 in a 70 zone when in fact I was doing 80. Still speeding I know but the cop was hell bent on achieving his quota....sorry performance target! Then there was the Xmas day present where I could have easily killed or maimed some poor innocent road user with my horrendous speeding at 114kph down a long straight hill with no traffic(apart from the cop) to be seen for miles. Yes it's definitely ALL about safety!

[candor]

Life shouldn't be checking the speedo obsessively for speed creep every other minute lest taxman takes food off your families table for a tiny speed creep. Or nicks the next few weeks gas money, depending on ya budget.

Around schools the the risk level is such the eyes are too plastered to the speedo - putting kids and cars at risk. This is not a winge; but I just noted this counterproductive response in myself today.

They had Kelson staked out this a.m. = hidden round the first bend to catch market shoppers with what looked like a Polaroid - went out seeking bargain veg but I guess some got extorted. This happens too often - no one died here since maybe 1970 if ever.

For the first time I feel its got so big brother, Police state. What can you do - civil disobedience - a ticket free day. At least in poor countries Police contact is only occasioned if you're seen breaking religious rules - then its just a quick whack with the willow stick, and no added insult of wallet attack.
Financial stress causes domestic violence - todays ticket could trigger tomorrows murder ne?

Its not a matter of willing donors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Every one creeps up without trying now and then. And I wouldn't be surprised if LTNZ speed ads have subliminals encouraging this! They're mighty dodgy that lot.

Talking something up can make it worse - those anti smoking ads just caused me to relapse when I'd quit for a couple of years. They just kept suggesting the subject, so I gave in. Getting OTT a tad so will cease ravings.

[candor]

[QUOTE=Goblin;1476146]Got a letter in the mail today from LTNZ to tell me I have a few demerit points, with a sad story of a student nurse who was killed by a speeding car driver. QUOTE]

Aaaaaargh - send them back the statistic that 80% of road deaths are caused by people travelling under the limit. Thats more sad.

[Goblin]

Life shouldn't be checking the speedo obsessively for speed creep every other minute lest taxman takes food off your families table for a tiny speed creep. Or nicks the next few weeks gas money, depending on ya budget.

Financial stress causes domestic violence - todays ticket could trigger tomorrows murder ne?

Too true! It is far more dangerous constantly checking your speedo than simply riding to the conditions. But not one cop I've ever tried to explain that to has agreed.

But think of the poor coppers who have to achieve these targets?? The stress they must be under! It's a tough job eh.

[Ixion]

is speeding a crime?

No. It is no part of the Crimes Act. It is a traffic offence.

[twotyred]

Whats the deal with this high saturation level deployment to cruising. Does it keep them from attending burgs and 111 calls like media portrays.

of course,I have a close friend whose wife was showing a french exchange student the views from Mt. Vic at night only to be met by a group of drunken youths throwing empties at cars coming up the hill and eventually they threw one through the windscreen of a car in the carpark...dialled 111 and were told that there was no available cops for 45 mins and that they should stay and observe the scene...screw that she said,two women alone in a car with a group of drunken young men carrying on outside???... on the way back to the Hutt they passed TWO seperate radar traps on the motorway......

[scumdog]

of course,I have a close friend whose wife was showing a french exchange student the views from Mt. Vic at night only to be met by a group of drunken youths throwing empties at cars coming up the hill and eventually they threw one through the windscreen of a car in the carpark...dialled 111 and were told that there was no available cops for 45 mins and that they should stay and observe the scene...screw that she said,two women alone in a car with a group of drunken young men carrying on outside???... on the way back to the Hutt they passed TWO seperate radar traps on the motorway......

Yup, just like the old days - traffic cops did traffic and police did police.

Nowadays they wear the same uniform but very likely don't do the same job.

[scumdog]

Too true! It is far more dangerous constantly checking your speedo than simply riding to the conditions.

Now ain't thata load of codswallop, I can ride for 15-20 minutes without glancing at my speedo - and when I do my speed is between 95 - 105 kph.

I thought you women could multi-task, what's the problem with flicking your eyes at the speedo while flossing your teeth/txting/adjusting your silk scarf??

[Grahameeboy]

Correction. One of these has a victim, one of these do not. So there is a difference, can anyone spot it?

Yep I spot the closed lid...

A crime does not always have to have a victim although with speeding the victim is the offencer...whoe is me etc...with speeding the whole point is to stop there being victims...

[SixPackBack]

Now ain't thata load of codswallop, I can ride for 15-20 minutes without glancing at my speedo - and when I do my speed is between 95 - 105 kph.

I thought you women could multi-task, what's the problem with flicking your eyes at the speedo while flossing your teeth/txting/adjusting your silk scarf??

I challenge you to try the same on a modern 600-1000. Neither the motorcycle nor the rider can accomplish this without spending an excess on their concentration window. Far easier and safer to let the riding flow.