Making excuses

[Katman]

We, as motorcyclists, seem to have turned making excuses into some sort of art form. Time and time again the same ones are trundled out - "The prick didn't see me", "Bloody patch of diesel", "I never really did like those tyres", "They need to fix that bloody bump in the road" - when in fact, 9 times out of 10 if we're honest with ourselves, our accidents come down to outriding the prevailing conditions at the time and/or our ability.

And to those who keep coming out with - "you weren't there, you don't know what happened", there's a saying that goes along the lines of - If it looks like shit, feels like shit and smells like shit there's probably no need to lick your finger.

[Trudes]

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[scumdog]

Meh, it's the Kiwi way dontchaknow?

[MSTRS:Me]

Well, you'd know K...always sticking your finger where it doesn't belong

[James Deuce]

I've had one accident where I was like Sean. Unconscious, required repeated resus on site and in transit and to this day the only memory I have of what was apparently a lovely trip to Christchurch with my wife was waving to the chump's wife as I flew over the bonnet after he ran a stop sign.

The rest of my accidents I can tell you exactly what I did wrong. Right down to having a spousal scrap before going out the door.

If you haven't had a head injury with long term repercussions then you don't know what you're talking about. I think you are out of line with your comments about Sean's accident.

[Usarka]

If you truly intend to make this your own personal crusade i suggest you study some psychology. Approaching it from a less "confrontational" angle might mean you'll end up on less ignore lists and not alienate those that might be allies.....

[R6_kid:Me]

I fully agree - if my tyres weren't so f00ked, i havent been on a bike for ages, im not wearing all my gear, my suspension isn't right...

just htfu and keep up already!

[yungatart]

I blame the gubbmint, they outlawed personal responsibility and turned the blame game into an art form.

[sugilite:Me]

I'll let you in on a secret Katman, get any group of people together and you will find some blame their misfortunes on others, and some don't, it's not just a motorcycling thing. Here is another, when you try to inflict your will in a inflammatory manner upon others, many will not like it and push back, it's a natural human response.

Thanks to your other thread people are now talking about timing themselves around the loop. I've been on one kb ride around the loop and I've seen the huge amount of traffic. The thought of people pushing their limits to do a fast time (may well likely lead to a death, or two) greatly saddens me. I wonder if you would take any small part of responcibility if that happened, or would you start another sanctimonious soap box thread?

As for your psychic abilities on knowing the circumstances of other people crash details, lets look at your charming analogy shall we.... "if it looks like shit, feels like shit and smells like shit there's probably no need to lick your finger". You actually need to be in the presence of shit to either, smell it, look at it, feel it and indeed taste it. I know there are those on this forum that would like to suggest you eat shit, I just suggest that "shit can and does happen"

Safety messages are a good thing, they will sink in deeper presented in a informative non soapbox manner, IMHO.

[Katman]

Safety messages are a good thing, they will sink in deeper presented in a informative non soapbox manner, IMHO.

I disagree. I've always believed if you want to make a small change - make a big noise.

(I'll let you in on a secret - the meek actually aren't going to inherit the earth).

[crazefox]

I've had one accident where I was like Sean. Unconscious, required repeated resus on site and in transit and to this day the only memory I have of what was apparently a lovely trip to Christchurch with my wife was waving to the chump's wife as I flew over the bonnet after he ran a stop sign.

The rest of my accidents I can tell you exactly what I did wrong. Right down to having a spousal scrap before going out the door.

If you haven't had a head injury with long term repercussions then you don't know what you're talking about. I think you are out of line with your comments about Sean's accident.

I agree with you Jim.So shut the F##K up K man

[Usarka]

If you haven't had a head injury with long term repercussions then you don't know what you're talking about. I think you are out of line with your comments about Sean's accident.

+1 I'm missing a number of months. Crackman - another example of pissing off the people you are purporting to help.

I disagree. I've always believed if you want to make a small change - make a big noise.

(I'll let you in on a secret - the meek really aren't going to inherit the earth).

woohoo on my ignore list

make as much noise as you like, go on knock yourself out(and see if you remember it).....

[onearmedbandit]

My list of accidents include:

Hit some ice on the open road on a moderate right hand turn. My fault, even though I couldn't see the ice I knew it was cold enough to be dangerous. Too fast for the conditions.

Lost the front going over a white line in town. My fault, was young and dumb and going to fast for the conditions.

Lost the front in a very tight left hand hairpin on the hills. My fault, even though my sidestand dug into the road and lifted the bike off the road, too fast for the conditions.

Highsided in a tight right hairpin on the hills on a negative camber decreasing radius corner. My fault again, too fast, the road is not a racetrack.

This one was on the racetrack, highsided out of a right hander on the thou. My fault again, tyres were cold and I gave it too much gas while cranked over.

See skatman, not all of us (despite what you may think of me) blame other circumstances for our accidents. In fact one could almost take blame for anything that happens in our lives, as we are in control of our own destiny. So while your post has a very good point, once again your delivery and generalisations (and accusations in regards to Skelstars accident) leave a lot to be desired. But then you are the perfect motorcyclist are you not?

[crazefox]

My list of accidents include:

Hit some ice on the open road on a moderate right hand turn. My fault, even though I couldn't see the ice I knew it was cold enough to be dangerous. Too fast for the conditions.

Lost the front going over a white line in town. My fault, was young and dumb and going to fast for the conditions.

Lost the front in a very tight left hand hairpin on the hills. My fault, even though my sidestand dug into the road and lifted the bike off the road, too fast for the conditions.

Highsided in a tight right hairpin on the hills on a negative camber decreasing radius corner. My fault again, too fast, the road is not a racetrack.

This one was on the racetrack, highsided out of a right hander on the thou. My fault again, tyres were cold and I gave it too much gas while cranked over.

See skatman, not all of us (despite what you may think of me) blame other circumstances for our accidents. In fact one could almost take blame for anything that happens in our lives, as we are in control of our own destiny. So while your post has a very good point, once again your delivery and generalisations (and accusations in regards to Skelstars accident) leave a lot to be desired. But then you are the perfect motorcyclist are you not?

Awsome call mate.

[Kittyhawk]

I was following too close in a corner, truck came round a corner too fast chick in front stopped suddenly, I had no choice but to ride off road and lay it down.

The rest, well its all part of moto x and endurance riding