Has Motorcycling New Zealand lost all relevance?

[scott411]

. And what's the point in having these rules when they can be changed without notice to the riders?

the steward of the day always has the last say on how the rules are put into place, like a rugby referee their are many people offering opinions, but few offereing to do the job,

(i am not supporting the stewards call at wanganui, i am just stating the way it is, sometimes you have to make calls on the spot, sometimes the steward gets them wrong)


as for rules, people will read anything in a way to suit themselves, or try to find ways to go faster araound them,

[Burrt Badger]

I think that you will find the farce at Wanganui was created by the Clerk of the Course and the Wanganui Club, NOT the Steward, although the Steward should have been involved in the matter.

[Deano]

you have looked at 2 parts of the rule book, and matched up the rules to suit,

the super motard section is only relevent to super motord events where thier is a dirt section, it does not apply to the supermotard class at a road race event, apart from wanganui, these do not apply to any other road race meeting,

Unless the rules are specifically cross referenced between the classes, as it appears in GaZBur's post.

So the two exclusion clauses are relevant, IMO.

[idleidolidyll]

Thread's moving too fast and I near missed this wee gem.

Lets get it straight, I DIDN'T sign the petition. I too was of the opinion, "race whatever you've got that fits the bill".

But I fully understand why some people wanted the bikes out, from personal experiences.

Lets you and I hire Pukie, then we'll find a Pansy I'm sure.

sorry, i don't engage in penis comparisons on this website so you are welcome to claim "biggest dick" status

[idleidolidyll]

Yeah I did, dunno what the outcome was, I imagine he got fobbed off.

I dont disagree that the running of our beloved sport is being done in a halfarsed, hadhazard manner.

To go back to the original question then, yes, MNZ are gettin it wrong a lot. Wanna change that? Get in and do it the right way, bitching on here just wont cut the mustard.

This IS the right way to get change. If we all just keep our mouths shut and say fuck all except at specific MNZ meetings, we won't have a chance to air and listen to opinions that might sway our minds.

This is a racing forum on NZ's most well subscribed motorbike forum and therefore probably BETTER than waiting until some meeting where bugger all turn up to preach to the converted or preach to those who have decided never to listen and be given just 5 minutes to put your point across.

Yes, I've been to plenty of bike club meetings and chaired my share

[Drew]

This IS the right way to get change. If we all just keep our mouths shut and say fuck all except at specific MNZ meetings, we won't have a chance to air and listen to opinions that might sway our minds.

This is a racing forum on NZ's most well subscribed motorbike forum and therefore probably BETTER than waiting until some meeting where bugger all turn up to preach to the converted or preach to those who have decided never to listen and be given just 5 minutes to put your point across.

Yes, I've been to plenty of bike club meetings and chaired my share

Squeeky wheel approach doesn't work with beurocrats (sp), and you fuckin know it. Make all the noise in the world, knock yourself out...please.

[idleidolidyll]

Squeeky wheel approach doesn't work with beurocrats (sp), and you fuckin know it. Make all the noise in the world, knock yourself out...please.

you have that completely back arsewards; the squeaky wheels usually get oiled and the silent simpletons get fuck all

[Subike]

( walks in, looks at posts, shakes head, walks out .)
nothing has changed

[roadracingoldfart]

you have that completely back arsewards; the squeaky wheels usually get oiled and the silent simpletons get fuck all

Out of all the pages attached to this thread i have only seen less than half a dozen "sqeeky wheels "that can agree on the subject . Hmmm not a good general concensus is it ?

Bugger!!!

[Ivan]

can a mod please change the name to Has this Thread lost all Relevance

[Deano]

you have that completely back arsewards; the squeaky wheels usually get oiled and the silent simpletons get fuck all

Up until the the point where the squeaky wheel gets written off as a nutcase. I'm just speaking generally mind.

I know, I'm a bureaucrat.

[FROSTY:Me]

Throwing an idea out there. So Jimmy bob turns up on kis KTM 660 with motard legal bars fitted.Passes scrutineering as a motard--all good.
Then he swaps the bars over to clipons ---sub 900mm bar height.
-What would stop that bike then being allowed in F3?

[scott411]

Throwing an idea out there. So Jimmy bob turns up on kis KTM 660 with motard legal bars fitted.Passes scrutineering as a motard--all good.
Then he swaps the bars over to clipons ---sub 900mm bar height.
-What would stop that bike then being allowed in F3?

nothing at all, great rule isn't it

[scracha]

not if they made it one of the Formula classes. Let the old crap have their own classic class but don't let them prevent better modern bikes and home built special racing.

Fine...call it the "ye olde 400 series"...who gives a monkeys?
I'd more than happily race in a class full of Jap 400's with these restrictions. Hell, I could then go out, buy a 3 grand bike, spend another grand and be relatively competitive (well....the bike would be ). Lots of other people would too as it would be about as cheap as bucket racing. Horsepower limits, minimum weight restrictions and suspension limitations...so simple and could be applied to lots of other non formula classes to keep costs down.

Obviously because Formula400 actually works in Australia (largest road racing class) then it could never be considered by Kiwi's. Here's a newsflash. Motorcycle Road Racing in New Zealand will never attract lots of "young talent" into the sport nor spectators as long as it remains an elitist sport where 25 grand or thereabouts is required to go racing competitively in a supposedly cheap class like "pro twins".

Cue lots of $hite about taking up tiddlywinks if I don't want to spend that much money.

[idleidolidyll]

Throwing an idea out there. So Jimmy bob turns up on kis KTM 660 with motard legal bars fitted.Passes scrutineering as a motard--all good.
Then he swaps the bars over to clipons ---sub 900mm bar height.
-What would stop that bike then being allowed in F3?

It'd likely fuck up the handling no end and the whiners would just change the rules again banning wide bars.