What's your opinion

[motorbike.ventures]

I say we should ride like other motorists don't see us... most, a lot, some? accidents can be avoided if we pay more attention and use saftey skills...

also as the article says, I think black is a popular color among motorcyclists, which is a pity as it is not very visible... I'm not particularly fond of banana yellow myself

[nadroj]

Is it just a rumour that skateboard & rollerblade statistics are included in ACC motorcycle category?

[popelli]

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"The problem seems to be worse at intersections and on major roads. For example, in Auckland, five roads accounted for the majority of motorcycle accidents."

If only 5 roads are causing the majority of problems the simplist solution to reducing the number of accidents is to close these roads off completely

This obviously is not practical but it would fit a nanny state enviroment and current health and safety leglislation

[AllanB]

and, in three quarters of cases, the motorcyclist was not at fault

SO WHY THE FUCK CHARGE US EXTRA ON ACC ?????????????

Bastards

Government arseholes.

Pricks


etc

[NUTBAR]

What you're saying about farm bike and off road bike crashes clouding ACC stats is completely true.

However I don't see anything wrong with the statement, it appears to be trying to get other motorists to look out for bikes, which can only be a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

quite right spud, how ever i have to say that i have two good headlights on my bike which are on all the time yet i still have people pulling out in front of me or in a couple of cases just about taking me out! the excuse is oh i didnt see you.? there is no way you cant see me coming from at least 30 to 50 meters away, i have seen clearly other bikes the same as mine from that distance. maybe if the drivers are made to pay more for acc they would take the time to look more carefully!

[James Deuce]

If only 5 roads are causing the majority of problems the simplist solution to reducing the number of accidents is to close these roads off completely

This obviously is not practical but it would fit a nanny state enviroment and current health and safety leglislation

Or they could tell us what roads so the Jafas can find an alternative and twisty route.

[mister.koz]

SO WHY THE FUCK CHARGE US EXTRA ON ACC ?????????????

Real good point there, if 75% of the accidents are caused by other vehicles then how can we be charged more for acc levi's, its like a kid getting beaten up at school and then a teacher telling them to fuck off for getting beaten up?

[Katman]

Real good point there, if 75% of the accidents are caused by other vehicles then how can we be charged more for acc levi's, its like a kid getting beaten up at school and then a teacher telling them to fuck off for getting beaten up?

You're forgetting the multitude of accidents where the motorcycle is the only vehicle involved.

[James Deuce]

Real good point there, if 75% of the accidents are caused by other vehicles then how can we be charged more for acc levi's, its like a kid getting beaten up at school and then a teacher telling them to fuck off for getting beaten up?

Because we're significantly different from our peers. We deserve to be punished for being in the wrong clique.

But seriously it's just a thinly veiled piece of PR-speak to make you think they understand that we are the "victims". There's a gaping disconnect in our self-perception, the regulatory bodies perception of us, and the non-motorcycling public's perception of us.

Add to that some peculiarities with how the human brain percieves and evaluates threat, and our comparatively primitive visual processing and single track vehicles are always going to be at risk. People aren't shitting you when they say they didn't see you. Look up the phrase motion camouflage and how it applies to motorcycles and you might learn that every other person on the road isn't anti-motorcycle, nor are they out to get you. They really didn't see you.

It's not an excuse. It's a limitation that all people come equipped with and can't overcome without specific and repeatedly reinforced training. AFAIK, they STILL don't teach people anything other than how to pass the driving test. Looking for specific types of traffic is worthy of 10 or 12 questions on the scratchy test.

On another note, I'd like see us pay less for Levi's.

[Bonez]

Real good point there, if 75% of the accidents are caused by other vehicles then how can we be charged more for acc levi's, its like a kid getting beaten up at school and then a teacher telling them to fuck off for getting beaten up?

(p/t) Because it's our fault for putting ourselves in that situation in the first place according to Dipshit et el.

[mister.koz]

You're forgetting the multitude of accidents where the motorcycle is the only vehicle involved.

I see your point, and i definately agree with swallowing your pride and owning up to mistakes or area's you could improve riding but i am forgetting nothing about what is mentioned earlier in the post where:

41 per cent of injury motorcycle crashes occur in situations where other motorists don't see the motorcycle and, in three quarters of cases, the motorcyclist was not at fault,"

[Swoop]

I hate bloody blue.
For example, in Auckland, five roads accounted for the majority of motorcycle accidents."

Copyright 2008 New Zealand Police

Well that was nice of them to assist in making things safer. Tell us what bloody intersections!
Also, what's with NZPlod "copyright"???

[spudchucka]

quite right spud, how ever i have to say that i have two good headlights on my bike which are on all the time yet i still have people pulling out in front of me or in a couple of cases just about taking me out! the excuse is oh i didnt see you.? there is no way you cant see me coming from at least 30 to 50 meters away, i have seen clearly other bikes the same as mine from that distance. maybe if the drivers are made to pay more for acc they would take the time to look more carefully!

That's just evidence that a large number of road users actually drive around in a daze.

[Cache Wraith]

Or they could tell us what roads so the Jafas can find an alternative and twisty route.

Agree. Someone tell me what 5 roads in Auckland are the ones to avoid!!!!!!!! hope its not one I live on, then I may have to wheel my bike to the corner before I get on

[PrincessBandit]

Agree. Someone tell me what 5 roads in Auckland are the ones to avoid!!!!!!!! hope its not one I live on, then I may have to wheel my bike to the corner before I get on

See Bonez reply to me in post 13. May offer some clues.