Manawatu Rant n Rave

[banditrider]

yea well maybe go for the 650f if your looking at a bandit 650 although ,they are im sure,the same engines. that has fuel injection and certainly gets a bloody big tick for fuel efficiency apparently
yup K4 ie = 2004

o have you seen these websites yet,maybe helpful for information from people who own them ?

Suzuki Bandit owners forum http://www.banditforum.co.uk/
650f forums http://katriders.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=189

Here's some more:

http://www.banditalley.com/
http://bsvoc.co.uk/home/index.php\
http://members.accesstoledo.com/fast...banditfaq.html
http://www.banditmania.co.uk/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_Bandit_Series

[HornetBoy]

Here's some more:

http://www.banditalley.com/
http://bsvoc.co.uk/home/index.php\
http://members.accesstoledo.com/fast...banditfaq.html
http://www.banditmania.co.uk/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_Bandit_Series

,hmm i dont think i can top that,you win lol

[chanceyy]

Here's some more:

http://www.banditalley.com/
http://bsvoc.co.uk/home/index.php\
http://members.accesstoledo.com/fast...banditfaq.html
http://www.banditmania.co.uk/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_Bandit_Series

cheers ... interesting that the bandit underwent the major changes in 2001 ... & another few changes in 2006, wonder if that is why I like that model

cheers for all the links Andrew & Chris .. I will be a bit busy now I guess .. but at least I might stop hassling you guys for a bit

[Meanie]

Yep.

Re: injection - someone more mechanically minded than me may correct me but I think that on injected bikes - closed throttle = no fuel into the engine. With carbs even with the throttle closed vacuum (which makes the carbies do their thing) can still draw a weny bit of gas into the cylinders. Not to mention the engine management on an FI bike supposedly giving the bike exactly what it needs for the given throttle position, temperature, gear, etc etc...

Geez that sounded ok I think - wonder if it's true...

Who cares if your right that sounded impressive

[cowboyz]

Yep.

Re: injection - someone more mechanically minded than me may correct me but I think that on injected bikes - closed throttle = no fuel into the engine. With carbs even with the throttle closed vacuum (which makes the carbies do their thing) can still draw a weny bit of gas into the cylinders. Not to mention the engine management on an FI bike supposedly giving the bike exactly what it needs for the given throttle position, temperature, gear, etc etc...

Geez that sounded ok I think - wonder if it's true...

sorry BR. If the engine wasnt getting any fuel it would stop. On your theory your bike wouldnt idle.

However FI has advantages because it is always calculating the exact ammount of fuel/air to put into the pipeline. Where as carbs are just an open slide and as much fuel as possible trys to get through the gap.

FI advancements and the ability to remap the system to tune for performance/economy make it a smart choice but it is not the be-all and end-all of things.

FWIW. my 4 pot carb with direct ram intake swallows about 14-18 km per litre, depending on what I am doing at the time.

[NZsarge]

sorry BR. If the engine wasnt getting any fuel it would stop. On your theory your bike wouldnt idle.

I know for a fact that once you rev the motor over 4500rpm on my bike if you completely close the throttle the injectors are completely shut off until you either re-open the throttle or the revs drop to the idle point. This is done to reduce emissions but unfortunately it has a down side in that when you do re-open the throttle the fact that there is no fuel in the inlet tract it needs to be re-wet and this causes a hesitation or "snatch" which when riding sedately is'nt to much of an issue but when giving it a fang up at higher revs and you want to feather the throttle while cornering or whatever the "snatch" is pretty irritating!
There is a company in the states (Ivan's performance product's) that have developed a "fuel cut eliminator" (FCE) that fools the computer into letting a small amount of fuel through where before it would have been completely cut off and the end result is much smoother fueling.
Not only that it tells the computer to open the secondary butterfly's earlier so that there is an increase in mid-range power by approximately 10 bhp

[sinfull]

Wealth of knowledge there Sarge !! It's been driving me mad twideling with my throttle cable adjustment trying to eliminate that hesitation after throttling off !
Have a bad habit of being one who goes from full on to full off a little too much !

[NZsarge]

Wealth of knowledge there Sarge !! It's been driving me mad twideling with my throttle cable adjustment trying to eliminate that hesitation after throttling off !
Have a bad habit of being one who goes from full on to full off a little too much !

Dunno about a wealth of knowledge mate, I only know this because the fueling was bad enough on my bike that when they first released it there was a big fuss about it and probably rightly so coz it can be quite frustrating at times but i'm eventually gonna get me one of those FCE thingy's.

[sinfull]

Still bloody good to know this little snippet of info ! Apreciate ya writing (typing) it down ! Will have 3 months to play with the bikes tuning shortly lol Have been gathering littlew bits of info like this for a bit now ! Dogs put me on to a fella re dialing in a new tune to get the grump up to max performance ( hoping he gets the dayt. in before me here lol so he can speak first hand about the guys rep) Another fella up in the hawkes bay who is suppose to be a magician with power commanders and dynoing it in to ya bike ! Names escape me here but it all helps when i come to do it, will be mentioning the info you brought up and see if they have dealt with this tech. and whether they can fit them ! Hope to have a weapon for next summer !~ A smooth one hehe

[HornetBoy]

I know for a fact that once you rev the motor over 4500rpm on my bike if you completely close the throttle the injectors are completely shut off until you either re-open the throttle or the revs drop to the idle point. This is done to reduce emissions but unfortunately it has a down side in that when you do re-open the throttle the fact that there is no fuel in the inlet tract it needs to be re-wet and this causes a hesitation or "snatch" which when riding sedately is'nt to much of an issue but when giving it a fang up at higher revs and you want to feather the throttle while cornering or whatever the "snatch" is pretty irritating!
There is a company in the states (Ivan's performance product's) that have developed a "fuel cut eliminator" (FCE) that fools the computer into letting a small amount of fuel through where before it would have been completely cut off and the end result is much smoother fueling.
Not only that it tells the computer to open the secondary butterfly's earlier so that there is an increase in mid-range power by approximately 10 bhp

Ahh yea thats what the FZ1 owners website was talking about then,wondered what the details about the "snatching of the trottle and FI glitches on certain models" was about,quite interesting that they produced it like that ,must be quite un-nerving at times.

Yea that Ivans Performance Products are bloody great ,real good customer service ,a week back i brough a jetkit and shiftkit from them and they talked me throught practically the whole installation!!!

[chanceyy]

Still bloody good to know this little snippet of info ! Apreciate ya writing (typing) it down ! Will have 3 months to play with the bikes tuning shortly lol Have been gathering littlew bits of info like this for a bit now ! Dogs put me on to a fella re dialing in a new tune to get the grump up to max performance ( hoping he gets the dayt. in before me here lol so he can speak first hand about the guys rep) Another fella up in the hawkes bay who is suppose to be a magician with power commanders and dynoing it in to ya bike ! Names escape me here but it all helps when i come to do it, will be mentioning the info you brought up and see if they have dealt with this tech. and whether they can fit them ! Hope to have a weapon for next summer !~ A smooth one hehe

ya gonna work on it being a straight one as well then

[sinfull]

ya gonna work on it being a straight one as well then

Sure as hell plan on it being rubber side down if i can help it !

[Owl]

Still bloody good to know this little snippet of info ! Apreciate ya writing (typing) it down ! Will have 3 months to play with the bikes tuning shortly lol Have been gathering littlew bits of info like this for a bit now ! Dogs put me on to a fella re dialing in a new tune to get the grump up to max performance ( hoping he gets the dayt. in before me here lol so he can speak first hand about the guys rep) Another fella up in the hawkes bay who is suppose to be a magician with power commanders and dynoing it in to ya bike ! Names escape me here but it all helps when i come to do it, will be mentioning the info you brought up and see if they have dealt with this tech. and whether they can fit them ! Hope to have a weapon for next summer !~ A smooth one hehe

Hi sinfull. Just a thought, but if you're "thinking" about a Power Commander for your triple, you may want to look at a TuneBoy instead. If the fella Dogs was talking about is Kerry Wallis, then he's the NZ dealer for TuneBoy. It may not be everybody’s cup of tea, but it does a hell of a lot more than the PCIII. http://www.tuneboy.com.au/
Just out of curiosity, what model S3 do you have?

[sinfull]

Hi sinfull. Just a thought, but if you're "thinking" about a Power Commander for your triple, you may want to look at a TuneBoy instead. If the fella Dogs was talking about is Kerry Wallis, then he's the NZ dealer for TuneBoy. It may not be everybody’s cup of tea, but it does a hell of a lot more than the PCIII. http://www.tuneboy.com.au/
Just out of curiosity, what model S3 do you have?

Hey ya Ferris , cheers for that ! Just went and had a read up on the tune boy and it sounds like the shit !!
Think that is the guy Dogs mentioned ! Would be keen to chat to anyone who has had kerry whack one in a 955i mines an 03 US import

Bill

[Owl]

Hey ya Ferris , cheers for that ! Just went and had a read up on the tune boy and it sounds like the shit !!
Think that is the guy Dogs mentioned ! Would be keen to chat to anyone who has had kerry whack one in a 955i mines an 03 US import

Bill

That's the beauty of it. Nothing is permanently connected to your bike so you can set it up yourself. It’s just a USB cable that connects your computer to the ECU cable under the seat. Once you “flash” the ECU, you’d have access to tuning, diagnostics and a host of other options. When finished, you just unplug the cable and your bike is back to normal.

Al