Careless driving - disqualification?

[jrandom]

what i mean was that i wasnt doing anything differnt than every other time ive taken that corner, i ride it twice a day. well i was going a little bit slower than usal.

And the bike just slipped out from underneath you? A cop happened upon the scene, and you were charged with 'careless driving'? If you're convicted on that basis, so should 90% of us be, I suspect.

Was there something dodgy on the road surface that you didn't see, perhaps?

If that's really the case, you should be able to argue fairly successfully against your 'careless' charge.

Stick it to the Man!

[Renegade]

not that its any of your busines. :P

Then why post it?? of course we want to know what happened so as to give an accurate reply to your poll.

Only you know if you were being a complete tool or not however i dont think you will lose your licence assuming it was as inocent as you say.

[The Pastor]

Then why post it?? of course we want to know what happened so as to give an accurate reply to your poll.

Only you know if you were being a complete tool or not however i dont think you will lose your licence assuming it was as inocent as you say.

i was joking dude.

[The Pastor]

If I read this right and your charge is for bailing.....well I think thats a bit rough, the damage to the bike and the fright should be punishment enough! Why do we feel it necessary to punish people for everything? Ok if you were playing silly buggers fair enough but legitimate accident.......where you were the only one invovled.......well not really necessary lesson learnt I feel, I don't think a court date is necessary or even a ticket....

I slid into a parked car. Neither of us had insurance, but i have fully paid for the damage I caused and about $400 worth of extra repairs, as they would of had to paint over the damage i didnt cause and it would of looked like shit. and im a nice guy.

And the bike just slipped out from underneath you? A cop happened upon the scene, and you were charged with 'careless driving'? If you're convicted on that basis, so should 90% of us be, I suspect.

Was there something dodgy on the road surface that you didn't see, perhaps?

If that's really the case, you should be able to argue fairly successfully against your 'careless' charge.

Stick it to the Man!

careless is very hard to defend (who was in control? I was), im pleading guilty first chance. Road surface was fine, I was paying full attention, it happend so quick.

The cops came cos some bimbo called the ambulance, if the ambulance didnt come I would not have been charged. If you cause an accident and the cops come, you will be charged with careles. Even if u put ur bike in a ditch and do no damage to anything other than your bike. For this reason if you have just broken an arm or leg, get a lift to the hospital do not ring up, or at least ring up and say "i fell over while walking can you send the ambulance" after the bike has been towed.

I believe my goodwill on paying the car, and not spending anymoney on my bike (only last tuesday did I send the bike in to get fixed - and havnt got it back yet / paid for it) and also paying extra to get the best job possable, and returning the car in a better condition than it was before i slid into it, has to count for somthing right?

[jrandom]

I would suggest that you find out whether you are eligible for legal aid, and, if so, lawyer up and fight the charge.

[The Pastor]

I would suggest that you find out whether you are eligible for legal aid, and, if so, lawyer up and fight the charge.

nah, i will lose, i know this for a fact. its very hard to argue that you were not careless when you crashed.

And i cant afford the time off work.

Will give me longer to work on the bike tho, and i must admit, its alot of fun

[jrandom]

nah, i will lose, i know this for a fact.

How do you know this? Have you already taken legal advice?

its very hard to argue that you were not careless when you crashed.

There must be a minimum standard of carelessness required for a conviction. No vehicle operator is perfect; crashes can presumably have sufficient causative influences outside of the driver or rider's carelessness to make such a charge dismissible.

And i cant afford the time off work.

Ah, well, it's up to you in the end. Best of luck, either way. The charge seems rather harsh and unnecessary.

[Coldrider]

If you cause an accident and the cops come, you will be charged with careles. Even if u put ur bike in a ditch and do no damage to anything other than your bike. For this reason if you have just broken an arm or leg, get a lift to the hospital do not ring up, or at least ring up and say "i fell over while walking can you send the ambulance" after the bike has been towed.

Just as well cages have four wheels to stop them falling over.

[The Pastor]

Just as well cages have four wheels to stop them falling over.

and seatbelts.

[RidingHard]

Your situation stinks mate. I think you've done well sorting out the other party; many would try to fob their liability off and pay less, not more. Your issue in court might come down to your previous conviction for the same offence. Were the circumstances similar then? (ie. you were at fault, crash etc)

[Cajun]

If you cause an accident and the cops come, you will be charged with careles. Even if u put ur bike in a ditch and do no damage to anything other than your bike. [/QUOTE]

Thats incorrect, i crashed my cage 7 years ago, just about took my head off with fence railing single vehicle (me), told cops i was doing 80-85 in an 80 area, but my fault really (aqua planed on water)

No charges laided, against me nothing. (I was a young 21 year old in a car, so would be normally labeled boy racer)

[The Pastor]

Your situation stinks mate. I think you've done well sorting out the other party; many would try to fob their liability off and pay less, not more. Your issue in court might come down to your previous conviction for the same offence. Were the circumstances similar then? (ie. you were at fault, crash etc)

other time i was learing to drive and lost controll in the wet.

Thats incorrect, i crashed my cage 7 years ago, just about took my head off with fence railing single vehicle (me), told cops i was doing 80-85 in an 80 area, but my fault really (aqua planed on water)

No charges laided, against me nothing. (I was a young 21 year old in a car, so would be normally labeled boy racer)

The main thing is 7 years ago dude, the police (and police policy) have changed alot in the last 5.

5 years ago I was let off for doing 50k over the limit over the harbour bridge, twice. (i was young n dumb)

[The Pastor]

well so far, if the kb gurus are anything to go by, i'll be walking for 6 months!

[mstriumph]

looks like you've got a lot of sympathy here, fella ...... good luck with it whatever way you decide to go






and finn - anyone ever tell you you are a smartarse?
---- in the nicest possible way, of course

[ynot slow]

well so far, if the kb gurus are anything to go by, i'll be walking for 6 months!

At least 3 months,but the good news if any, is your demerit points go to zilch,if you have any that is.Plus the judge will take into account any points I suppose.

We had similar situation last year when my other half was turning right into a business carpark in a 50km zone,sun in her eyes and hit a girl coming towards her,got charged with failing to give way $150 thanks,never mind the cop said too hard to blame either driver,the other car was parked and two witness' said they heard to blow off valve go pop twice prior to being hit,the panelbeater placed both cars together in his yard and determined the crash impact at about 70km,considering my wife was all but stationary,the cop let the other girl off,we had a lawyer to check out the option of taking it to court,wife had her son in the car so cop took his statement,he took two other statements as well.The crash report stated one witness and other descrepencies,and lawyer said it wasn't worth while,so grin and bear it.As well as losing no claims and excess was a pain.And she didn't want the cops,so went for a ride in ambulance,cop caught up with her in hospital,also no insurance on her part.