McDuck had a bin last night....

[McDuck]

Just an observation, and I know every accident is different but comparing the damage to your gear against mine (Revit summer stuff) from my recent off then I reckon you were either moving a tad faster than you stated or that gear is crap.

I was still in riding position when the bike hit the deck. AKA i think i got dragged a few meters. Would have only taken a meter or two of weight on that to rip it apart.


This is supported by the relative lack of damage to the other side and general rest of gear. There is a small rip in the elbow of my jacket presumably from where i hit the deck and next to no other damage (apart from scuffing on a boot)

[McDuck]

So what tyres were they and what choices did you have? Very useful to know for future reference

Shinko Sport Master Pro.

The name says it all really.

[McDuck]

So what do you do when there's no recommended speed sign?

Same thing i do when i dont know the road a wee bit, slow down and use my eyes.

[MSTRS:Me]

Every corner is different. hook in with a top notch rider (like MSTRS) and get them to teach you about what sort of lines to take, hazard spotting etc. The most important bit of taking corners is getting good lines etc. How i workout my cornering speed is about the recommended speed plus 40% with appropriate throttle application going out of the corner. That said work it out for yourself to what you feal safe with.

If by 'top notch' you mean my lines are good, I haven't fallen off for years and I generally don't get caught napping by 'up-stream' hazards, then fair enough. But I'm not infallible, and in simple bike-handling skills there's loads better than me. FFS I've never even had a knee down
I also have to say that you are indeed a noob - your L plate was a recent adornment. No?
You, my friend, are only taking your first few steps on the road to becoming a rider.
Experienced riders know that the posted corner speeds are very inconsistent and unless you know the particular corner, working on the assumption that 'recommended + 40% (etc)' is likely to be a disaster waiting to happen.
ie there are corners I know well around these parts that I will happily take at double the posted (or more), yet there are some that I feel I'm pushing it at posted +20%.

[McDuck]

If by 'top notch' you mean my lines are good, I haven't fallen off for years and I generally don't get caught napping by 'up-stream' hazards, then fair enough. But I'm not infallible, and in simple bike-handling skills there's loads better than me. FFS I've never even had a knee down
I also have to say that you are indeed a noob - your L plate was a recent adornment. No?
You, my friend, are only taking your first few steps on the road to becoming a rider.
Experienced riders know that the posted corner speeds are very inconsistent and unless you know the particular corner, working on the assumption that 'recommended + 40% (etc)' is likely to be a disaster waiting to happen.
ie there are corners I know well around these parts that I will happily take at double the posted (or more), yet there are some that I feel I'm pushing it at posted +20%.

fair points. (ducks head and runs away)
Isnt the term noob for a person in the first 3-6 months of riding and is not yet comfortable on the open rd alone etc?

[McDuck]

If by 'top notch' you mean my lines are good, I haven't fallen off for years and I generally don't get caught napping by 'up-stream' hazards, then fair enough. But I'm not infallible, and in simple bike-handling skills there's loads better than me. FFS I've never even had a knee down

You are alive after how many years of biking..... getting a knee down isnt important.

[kiwifruit]

Isnt the term noob for a person in the first 3-6 months of riding and is not yet comfortable on the open rd alone etc?

no

[slimjim]

mate, all up wasn't tires , cause yup , front would've spat ya first , rear only follow's , so knock .....as a off , cause ya's feeding the CAUSE so smile and leave it for another day, fuck life's short enough aren't it

[Goblin]

Trying to follow a top notch rider will only get you into trouble. Ride at your own pace and never try and keep up with anyone....especially sheilas.

[MSTRS:Me]

Trying to follow a top notch rider will only get you into trouble. Ride at your own pace and never try and keep up with anyone....especially sheilas.

But the views are too good to pass up....

[Mikkel]

Every corner is different. hook in with a top notch rider (like MSTRS) and get them to teach you about what sort of lines to take, hazard spotting etc. The most important bit of taking corners is getting good lines etc. How i workout my cornering speed is about the recommended speed plus 40% with appropriate throttle application going out of the corner. That said work it out for yourself to what you feal safe with.

Ehrm, that's an accident waiting to happen...

If by 'top notch' you mean my lines are good, I haven't fallen off for years and I generally don't get caught napping by 'up-stream' hazards, then fair enough. But I'm not infallible, and in simple bike-handling skills there's loads better than me. FFS I've never even had a knee down
I also have to say that you are indeed a noob - your L plate was a recent adornment. No?
You, my friend, are only taking your first few steps on the road to becoming a rider.
Experienced riders know that the posted corner speeds are very inconsistent and unless you know the particular corner, working on the assumption that 'recommended + 40% (etc)' is likely to be a disaster waiting to happen.
ie there are corners I know well around these parts that I will happily take at double the posted (or more), yet there are some that I feel I'm pushing it at posted +20%.

But John beat me to it. (You must spread...)

Generally speaking the recommended cornering speeds are VERY conservative when you're on the campervan trail. When you get off the beaten trail it becomes a different story altogether. There are corners out there where I wouldn't want to exceed the recommended cornering speed at all - and these are usually also the place where you are majorly fucked if you should managed to go off the road!

Also, Goblin has a very good point about not all corners having recommended cornering speeds.

Ultimately - if you start pushing the envelope on the public road you risk pushing daisies soon after.

You are alive after how many years of biking..... getting a knee down isnt important.

Indeed - John is most likely sensible enough to not try pushing on the public road to achieve that goal. Time and place - in this case a race track on a nice day IMHO.

But the views are too good to pass up....

Amen brother!

[McDuck]

I did make a comment in a reply to goblins post that if i dont know the road i slow down and use my eyes.

[Mikkel]

I did make a comment in a reply to goblins post that if i dont know the road i slow down and use my eyes.

I hope use your eyes all the time

(Sorry, couldn't help it.)

[McDuck]

I hope use your eyes all the time

(Sorry, couldn't help it.)

Dont tell anybody but i do...

[jrandom]

Isnt the term noob for a person in the first 3-6 months of riding and is not yet comfortable on the open rd alone etc?

The point where you realise, in a flash of terrible insight, that you are, always have been, and always will be, a n00b, is the point where you begin to find wisdom.

The most enlightened among us are those most aware of the simple fact that they have no clue.

Does a dog have the Buddha-nature?