Tyre warmers on buckets?

**kiwicam** · 13th May 2008, 21:20

Isn't buckets all about cheap? There used to be a sale rule in the early days didn't there? Any of you around then (1980-83 )

ok i confess to being around then ........ there was never a claiming rule .and actually cheap was never the main objective.

we just raced the buckets of shite we used to commute to work on. of course some bright bastard hade to go and build an expansion chamber , so then sombody else had to as well . then somebody else couldnt be bothered with that so they bought a brand new MB50.

and well here we all are ...a few decades later

btw the only reason we had a 100cc limit was to chill out the airforce bosses cos they didnt like steadman riding his H2 on the tarmac

as for the trye warmers , a resounding chorus of "dork dork dork" is probably a fair response

**Skunk** · 13th May 2008, 21:50

Originally Posted by Sully60

Yeah, but I could really use one at the Slipway (like the rest of us)

I'm working on doing something that may, or may not, become one...

Originally Posted by kiwicam

as for the trye warmers , a resounding chorus of "dork dork dork" is probably a fair response

LOL. I like...
Anyway, I'm all for keeping it as cheap as possible. A homebuilt or modified from something else chamber isn't expensive. Off the shelf is.
Those that have tyre warmers for another class of racing can just leave them in that other class. I don't like electricity and I'm buggered if I'll play around with 230 volts just to try and keep up. Shit, it's hard enough finding the money for cheap Vee Rubber road tyres. They were $59 each last set I got (3 years ago)! I can't afford that ALL the time you know.

**F5 Dave** · 14th May 2008, 10:02

Originally Posted by Skunk

I think they should be banned from Buckets purely on cost grounds.

Isn't buckets all about cheap? There used to be a sale rule in the early days didn't there? Any of you around then (1980-83 I think)?

This is my 20th year in buckets so I'm a new member compared to Kiwicam being late 80s instead of early 80s. However the only other person I know of still consecutively racing all that time & longer is DaveDip in Auckers. Top Bloke.

No claiming rule, there was a rumour that there was a "it has to be 7 yrs or more older rule" (probably urban myth) so there was some grumbling when the RG50s appeared & wiped the floors of the MB50 I & a few others were running. Thanks Kiwicam, funny to hear history repeat itself. So there are new bikes appearing. The 9k CBRs are a different kettle of fish $$ wise. Ahh smeg it, if Steadman was to turn up on his old bucket he'd still wipe them into the floor.

And about cheap. Everyone seems to think that bucket racing should be priced to their level. Well sorry, you can't please everyone. It's going to be expensive for some & cheap for others.

Some are going to lack the skills but could open a chequebook & enlist Pete Sales help (and good on anyone supporting Pete, another Top Bloke). Should they be excluded? No, not really, but the line does 'grey' after a point.

Skunk if you wanted to make an even more competitive bike you'd sell all but one & spend into that. But that isn't what you want to do. You want to tinker. And that too is a big part of buckets.

**Skunk** · 14th May 2008, 12:23

Hmmm, good points Dave.

When I say cheap I'm meaning relative to the other classes of racing at the same level of competitiveness. Some yeah, you could spend a few thousand bucks in buckets and still not win. But you don't have to to be 'having fun fast'. Which I think you do in NZSBK.

I'm trying to think of the simple things to keep the cheques out and the fun in.

Funny you should mention Pete... He built my engine for very little money. Top bloke all right.

**F5 Dave** · 14th May 2008, 12:44

Hey Dang' how did we come up with 9k CBR anyways? Sounded wrong when I thought about it. 5k seems to be ~right or maybe for the 125, or is the number puled out of the sky complete with warmers, on board GPS/sat nav & ignition?

Expect they were ex auss cup brought back. Would have been a bunch cheaper.

As a note, a hot FXR with ignition Cams & pipe puts out ~ very useful 17hp. Note Cams are a performance part & are not legal (though regrinding stock ones is). A CBR may eke out a couple more than that.

A good MB100 should pull 20. An exceptional one more. A John Conner CB125 twin will do that too.

2nd note: None of the Wellington bikes are close to this.

**CookMySock** · 14th May 2008, 15:28

Originally Posted by Sully60

Whats a race garage?

http://www.gsl-enterprises-uk.com/st...%20weather.jpg

DB

**speedpro** · 14th May 2008, 19:50

Racers always find something that someone else has, or might have, that might make them faster, or not, that they have a whinge about. Just about every time I hear the whinging and I bother to take any notice it turns out to be a case of envy usually combined with a good dose of "If I can't ride faster then I'll try something to slow those other guys". Banning slicks was one such whinge I recall from a while ago and banning water cooling as well.

"dork, dork, dork" - that brings back a few memories. Not that I was ever the recipient, oh no, not me. Prize giving at the Ohakea GP could be embarrassing when the whole room was doing it - bastards.

**Kickaha** · 14th May 2008, 22:31

Originally Posted by F5 Dave

Note Cams are a performance part & are not legal (though regrinding stock ones is).

I don't think that is correct

Rule 24-2-4
Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles. Motocross, Road Racing,
Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted. There shall be no restriction on the make, type or design of carburettor, ignition, exhaust, piston, cam, valve springs or cooling system except for class eligibility. All engines must be normally aspirated except F4 4 stroke engines of less than 100cc capacity, which may be turbo or supercharged.
F4 2 stroke

**F5 Dave** · 15th May 2008, 10:31

I stand corrected, that must have been changed when the piston restriction was lifted (previously the pistons had to be road derived until it came about that it was getting hard to get some pistons so opened the doors for Wiseco etc). Probably as cheap to buy one than get one built up & ground (after someone buying one to copy).

Bah - I never read the bits that don't relate to me, silly things with all manner of poppets, followers, chains & such tomfoolery. No wonder they need a displacement advantage.

**k14** · 15th May 2008, 11:49

Originally Posted by F5 Dave

Bah - I never read the bits that don't relate to me, silly things with all manner of poppets, followers, chains & such tomfoolery. No wonder they need a displacement advantage.

Yeah tell me about it, after stripping down the CB engine last week I'll take a 2 smoke any day