And they wonder why some are leaving...

[awayatc]

I amm giving oz some serious thought recently.
G

And I am sure they appreciate it......coz thats one thing they haven't got a lot off......

[kave]

BTW did you know that if you ivest money in NZ,, only pay 2% interest on it if overseas...

A lot of investments have shifted to the new PIE tax scheme, meaning that there is no 2% AIL.

[Mikkel]

Sorry luvs, a lefty PC government just got elected over there (yes!), in case you missed it. They even printed a million t-shirts with SORRY printed on them.
It ain't no different over there.

I have this funny feeling that a left-wing Oz party is still pretty liberal compared to what NZ has to offer... It's just a hunch though - I don't bother reading political manifestos since they don't matter anyway, democrazy and all.

[SPman]

I have this funny feeling that a left-wing Oz party is still pretty liberal compared to what NZ has to offer... It's just a hunch though - I don't bother reading political manifestos since they don't matter anyway, democrazy and all.

Left wing - you're joking! Centrist at best.

Like a lot of "Labour" parties around the world - racing to the right, like Britains "New Labour" - about as left as Margaret Thatcher!

[007XX]

If you leave, make sure you keep in touch with this site...your Avatars are quite something...

BTW, hasn't been a new one for a coupla days...

Aaawww...But you only want me for my avatars, what a blow to my self esteem as a valued poster on KB

*rushes off to find a new juicy pair of bumpillows*

About 3 gazillion years. They won't! Their big business mates will get even richer - the average working stiff will still get shafted.

Further more intensifying the chasm between top and bottom earners...I saw it happen years ago in my country of birth, and it ain't pretty. As I said before, I do not pretend to be that knowledgeable about economy or politics, but I'm not stupid enough to like what's happening.

Sorry luvs, a lefty PC government just got elected over there (yes!), in case you missed it. They even printed a million t-shirts with SORRY printed on them.
It ain't no different over there.

Maybe...(and no, I didn't miss it). BUT, the fact is that in a country as big as Oz, a few bad financial decisions can be absorbed and recovered from. Whether in NZ, a decidedly dodgy call such as buying back the rails at twice (or more) the price they sold it to Toll years ago, and yet with still uncalculated amount of work to be done to bring it all back to speed, will without a doubt be a weight on the whole country, one wich will affect us all.

You cannot tell me that such decisions were made in the true interest of the NZ population. Especially when the latest tax cut grandly advertised is to be between 12 and 25 dollars a week, with Cullen dramatically saying it cannot be any higher lest we borrow more money...

And don't get me ever started on why a law was passed when it was very publicly opposed, then a referendum organised, and a petition overruled because of a couple of duplicate signatures. Take the duplicate out, and count the valid ones, then do as any true democracy would do, and don't pass the parody of a law that takes so much away from any parent, and leaves a nation nearly powerless to raise its own offsprings.

These are but a couple of examples of what is going so very seriously wrong, and yes, I know...what do I propose doing about it? I can't do shit, because none of us are being listened to...all I can do is plan for a better future for my family.

And we wonder why we are fast becoming a "Look after #1 first" society.

[Dilligaf]

I thought you could get it if you left the country permanantly??

Bummer if not.

Testament to the fact that this is not true...

[avgas]

Hmmm interesting on the super thing - i haven't done any research myself on it so i can't prove of disprove of it. I just have a friend who is leaving SKM (NZ) for Maunsell (Aus) and $9K out of her $69K is going to some scheme where if she leaves in 3 years time she can claim a total of $80K???? Will talk to her tomorrow to see what the story is.
I'm just getting a bit fed up with NZ, i swear it was better before - mabey i was more naive with my homeland when i was young. But in the last 10 years my life has hit more potholes in NZ than any person should endure.
Aspects including, law (or lack of it in some cases), student loans/allowances (or lack of), tax rates (for those who make a living.....even at 2 jobs), immigration (and the illegal aspects of it - fuck you a fucking lot Hon Tuariki Delamere), Small company NZ........with the she'll be right attitude......even transit NZ are cutting all the fucking corners off my favourite roads cos some moron (who was still paying off his car and didn't have a license) forgot to tell his pissed brain to take the turn.
I'm not saying the grass is greener - im just saying the cows keep shitting in ours.
That I'm paid crap due to my salary ($15-24/hr depending how many 'extra unpayed' hours fall in my 40 hour week). Thats less than i was earning before i graduated.....working for a pipejacking firm. I have been looking at US and Aus currently. Unless my salary MASSIVELY bumps up to 70K this year there is no way in hell i will still be here for 2009. Kinda sux as i really love the countryside in NZ - but i never have the time or money to see it.

[awayatc]

Hmmm interesting on the super thing - i haven't done any research myself on it so i can't prove of disprove of it. I just have a friend who is leaving SKM (NZ) for Maunsell (Aus) and $9K out of her $69K is going to some scheme where if she leaves in 3 years time she can claim a total of $80K???? Will talk to her tomorrow to see what the story is.
I'm just getting a bit fed up with NZ, i swear it was better before - mabey i was more naive with my homeland when i was young. But in the last 10 years my life has hit more potholes in NZ than any person should endure.
Aspects including, law (or lack of it in some cases), student loans/allowances (or lack of), tax rates (for those who make a living.....even at 2 jobs), immigration (and the illegal aspects of it - fuck you a fucking lot Hon Tuariki Delamere), Small company NZ........with the she'll be right attitude......even transit NZ are cutting all the fucking corners off my favourite roads cos some moron (who was still paying off his car and didn't have a license) forgot to tell his pissed brain to take the turn.
I'm not saying the grass is greener - im just saying the cows keep shitting in ours.
That I'm paid crap due to my salary ($15-24/hr depending how many 'extra unpayed' hours fall in my 40 hour week). Thats less than i was earning before i graduated.....working for a pipejacking firm. I have been looking at US and Aus currently. Unless my salary MASSIVELY bumps up to 70K this year there is no way in hell i will still be here for 2009. Kinda sux as i really love the countryside in NZ - but i never have the time or money to see it.

It's sad to see you and people like you leave,....It's normal working kiwi's that this country needs most and should have looked after....not the no hopers.
Labour has succesfully catered for all minorities.... to such an extend that Middle New zealand has just about disappeared....Sad, very sad

[tri boy]

Chatting to a buddy today, who has a son who has just completed his apprenticeship as an Industrial Electrician.
Guess where he is heading this week?
His boss is spewing about the loss, but totally understands the young fulla's reasoning.
Stick around in NZ, earning 35-45K for the next 3yrs. Or jump the ditch, and make that in 4 mths doing shutdowns in QLD/WA/VIC/SA.
One year in Aussie lets the chap party in Europe for the next year. Return to Aus and make another $150K.
It's a no brainer for the ones who can leave/travel lightly.

[kevfromcoro]

A lot of investments have shifted to the new PIE tax scheme, meaning that there is no 2% AIL.

not to sure what you mean there...
does this mean if you leave NZ..you get charched normall tax rates on dollars invested here?.....
was told buy a banker and accountant the the 2% rule still applies...
very interesting thread this......
KEV

[kave]

not to sure what you mean there...
does this mean if you leave NZ..you get charched normall tax rates on dollars invested here?.....
was told buy a banker and accountant the the 2% rule still applies...
very interesting thread this......
KEV

If the investments that you hold are subject to the new Portfolio Investment Entity (‘PIE’) regime, then you cant get the 2% AIL rate, but if its not, then you can still get the 2% rate. Then again, if the investments are PIE's, then the top rate of tax you will pay is 30%, which is quite nice if you are currently in the top tax bracket.

[Ixion]

Hm. I must investigate these PIEs . I have had quite a number of communications about them. Problem is they all come either from breathless boy wonders wanting to sell financial services (ie crooks), or dicks calling themsleves my 'Personal banker'.(ie cretins). Obviously i don't trust a word any of them say, but it is just possible I gues sthat tehse PIEs are not a convoluted rort.

[avgas]

It's a no brainer for the ones who can leave/travel lightly.

I have a sister and a 4 year old nephew who i love to bits. But its cheaper for me to move and fly them over every 2 months for a holiday, than to stay????
Dunno about my bike, i still can not find a way to part her either

[slowpoke]

*Sigh* I'm getting fuggin' sick of people saying how great it is in Oz with just a projected pay packet in their eyes and precious little research under their belt:

Check out house prices
Check out stamp duty on houses
Check out the price of second hand cars
Check out the heavy capital gains taxes on property and shares
Check out private health insurance
Check out commuting times from outer suburbs to central city
Check out where you are gonna ride/race your bike (options are more limited than you'd think)

Not to mention I'm sick of people talkin' it up and doing nothing....

[tri boy]

*Sigh* I'm getting fuggin' sick of people saying how great it is in Oz with just a projected pay packet in their eyes and precious little research under their belt:

Check out house prices
Check out stamp duty on houses
Check out the price of second hand cars
Check out the heavy capital gains taxes on property and shares
Check out private health insurance
Check out commuting times from outer suburbs to central city
Check out where you are gonna ride/race your bike (options are more limited than you'd think)

Not to mention I'm sick of people talkin' it up and doing nothing....

If your feeling sick, best you lay down and have a wee nap.
This thread is related to the option of financialy advancing oneself in Aus, not about ripping the guts out of NZ lifestyle.
40000 people have crossed the Tasman solely to make a better start for their families, because the NZ economy is struggling to get any where near it's counterpart.
It isn't an attack on other kiwi's, or their love for the country.
Many made the move through the 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's. Many returned (myself included), but I know for me personally, that it was a huge gain, financially, socially, and growth wise.
Why do you sound so bitter, that you attack those that wish to give it a go?
Some people may have had a bad run over there, but the majority do not.
Why knock people who a willing to up roots and take on life positively?
Tall poppy syndrome at it's ugliest stage. Cut their legs off before they even get to the airport.
Best you have a good long nap