Cheep Shoei and Arai sales on trade me

[McJim]

If you actually build a relationship with a shop you get that back with interest.

2 hours ago.

'Hi Shane my speedo has stopped working'

'Drop it in and we'll replace the sensor.'

'Cool I have a few calls to do on Monday - can you lend me a bike for a few hours'

'Sure.'

And I get a discount on everything I buy.

I agree and this has also been my experience (Motomail and Cycletreads come to mind first) however shouldn't the onus be on the bike shop to build that relationship?

[Big Dave]

I agree and this has also been my experience (Motomail and Cycletreads come to mind first) however shouldn't the onus be on the bike shop to build that relationship?

Not if you don't go there.

[Katman]

I agree and this has also been my experience (Motomail and Cycletreads come to mind first) however shouldn't the onus be on the bike shop to build that relationship?

The onus actually is on the bike shop to build that relationship. The only thing they ask of the customer is that they buy their product. If the shop fails to meet their end of the bargain once something has been bought (within reason of course) then they deserve to go out of business.

I am always aware that without my customers my business has nothing.

[Nagash]

And on that issue that the sellers getting mental about.. about him wanting hard evidence that Japan, Europe and America have different helmet ssizes. It's on shoei's website..

"SHOEI produces three completely different helmet shells: for the domestic, American and European markets. This is one of the secrets of the excellent fit of the helmets."

http://www.shoei-europe.com/en/production.php

[Big Dave]

"SHOEI produces three completely different helmet shells: for the domestic, American and European markets. This is one of the secrets of the excellent fit of the helmets."

http://www.shoei-europe.com/en/production.php

Well spotted.

[megageoff76]

Just out of interest, how do they determine the head sizes?

Do they run a working group, get a buch of people together and measure their noggins? What happends if some asian dudes show at the German group and screw up all the stats?

[nonferrous]

I thimk helmets still attract high duty hence the high local price - I got my last arai as carry on luggage and saved about 40%

[FJRider]

I use a couple of big print companies in HK, with China print plants. Recently I asked one of them to see if they could find a wire working company to make steel display stands for me - I sent over plans, dimensions & photos and he visited a few companies. He came back saying that they all want to make them however they will need a completed one sent to them to COPY.

I rest my case.

Let the buyer BEWARE... REMEMBER you were warned.

[Nagash]

I thimk helmets still attract high duty hence the high local price - I got my last arai as carry on luggage and saved about 40%

Yeah, I got a pair of Alpinestar SP1 gloves from America like that. Bought them from a mate of mine who sells Alpinestars gear in the States and he sent them to me delcaring that they were mine and he was just returning them so no GST.

Went from $250 gloves to $160...

[McJim]

And on that issue that the sellers getting mental about.. about him wanting hard evidence that Japan, Europe and America have different helmet ssizes. It's on shoei's website..

"SHOEI produces three completely different helmet shells: for the domestic, American and European markets. This is one of the secrets of the excellent fit of the helmets."

http://www.shoei-europe.com/en/production.php

So essentially an admission by Shoei that they are failing their Customers of asian descent living in Europe?!?!

I'm Glad I wear Nitro and HJC!

[Owl]

I thimk helmets still attract high duty hence the high local price - I got my last arai as carry on luggage and saved about 40%

There is no duty on motorcycle helmets!

http://www.customs.govt.nz/importers...ms+Charges.htm

[McJim]

There is no duty on motorcycle helmets!

http://www.customs.govt.nz/importers...ms+Charges.htm

Woah - how f*cked up is that? 17% for a bicycle helmet and FOC for a motorbike helmet?

[Nagash]

So essentially an admission by Shoei that they are failing their Customers of asian descent living in Europe?!?!

I'm Glad I wear Nitro and HJC!

Arai have the same thing on their site,

"Please be aware that the size and fit combinations may vary between markets due to differeing standards in effect in various countries. Therefore, the size you order, based on the fit you know from your home market, may not fit or feel the same as the home market helmet"

http://www.araihelmet-europe.com/php/language.php

[Pussy]

Anyone know what the difference in spec is between a Shoei helmet for the American market, and a European market example?

[Nagash]

Anyone know what the difference in spec is between a Shoei helmet for the American market, and a European market example?

I tired to find out.. it has the sizing charts for the American site but I could'nt find it on the Europeon site, and the Japanese site was in a different laguage altogether..