Auckland police too busy?

[Indoo]

[QUOTE=Maki;1579667 If you spread dirt you just end up with a lot sticking to yourself and a bad smell. That's why I don't stoop to it myself. .[/QUOTE]

Which is funny coming from the guy who stated that all the cops involved in the Kahui trial should be dismissed because they weren't up to the job. And when questioned about it claimed he would have simply kidnapped the suspects, forced them to undergo an unlawful interview (in which they all of course confess CSI styles) and then gain a conviction.

Its just so easy.

[SixPackBack]

Its kinda sad that any perceived criticism of the police [often presented in a constructive fashion] quickly turns into a shit fight.
Not once have we seen an acceptance that performance could be better or that any kind of issue even exists. Kinda sad really!

[98tls]

Its kinda sad that any perceived criticism of the police [often presented in a constructive fashion] quickly turns into a shit fight.
Not once have we seen an acceptance that performance could be better or that any kind of issue even exists. Kinda sad really!

What i find sad is that its always about coppers.Fuck me the last time i used a public toilet it crossed my mind that whoever is paid to clean it could do better but see no point in discussing it on a motorcycle based website.Continual about them wont change a thing.

[SixPackBack]

What i find sad is that its always about coppers.Fuck me the last time i used a public toilet it crossed my mind that whoever is paid to clean it could do better but see no point in discussing it on a motorcycle based website.Continual about them wont change a thing.

A dirty toilet is mere inconvenience. A dirty [perhaps under-performing would be a more agreeable term] officer can change, perhaps completely ruin an individuals life-the police carry a huge burden of responsibility!

Discussion changes process. This website has a great deal of officers logging on every day, undoubtedly KB is monitored in some way [ATNR confirms this] by the police and by voicing our concerns a good copper has an opportunity to change not only their approach but also a colleagues approach as well.

The challenge for KBers is to behave in a constructive manner, the challenge for coppers is to take our concerns seriously. I would also add that most of us have respect for the force.

[98tls]

A dirty toilet is mere inconvenience. A dirty [perhaps under-performing would be a more agreeable term] officer can change, perhaps completely ruin an individuals life-the police carry a huge burden of responsibility!

Discussion changes process. This website has a great deal of officers logging on every day, undoubtedly KB is monitored in some way [ATNR confirms this] by the police and by voicing our concerns a good copper has an opportunity to change not only their approach but also a colleagues approach as well.

The challenge for KBers is to behave in a constructive manner, the challenge for coppers is to take our concerns seriously. I would also add that most of us have respect for the force.

Not a bad post really,on saturday i attended my auntys funeral up in ch-ch,her husband is a retired copper and she has 3 sons that are cops which resulted in a huge police attendance at the funeral,afterwards at the do got yapping with a few both serving and retired cops and at some stage the topic of public perception of cops came up (as it would)the answer from both young and old was the same really "spend a day in these shoes" basically.Theres going to be the odd bad pumpkin in every patch but i believe many cops develop an attitude simply because they have to deal with so many shitheads day in day out and to be honest looking at many of todays youth and there actions then i dont blame em.To me most cops do there best with what they have at there disposal,if theres anyone to blame i suggest it should be directed at the people supposedly running this country.I use the term running lightly.

[scumdog]

If I could come up with nothing better than making accusations like noob, troll, monday morning quarterback, etc, then I would keep my mouth shut...........

Lemme paint a picture.

A whole bunch of guys from all walks of life sitting around in a bar, some maybe having a drink or two.

All know each other, have a common interest and are comfortable with each others opinions, leg-pulling and stirring - even the awkward ones are accepted in the group, after all, they've been in each others company on and off for quite a while.

All of a sudden the bat-wing doors fly open and a young stranger noisily strides in looking around himself, he sees several discussions taking place and one or two subjects prick his interest so he strolls over to one group.

After listening for a minute he chimes in with his thoughts and opinions, he loudly tells a few members of a group how they don't know what they're doing, they're incompetent and so are their workmates, he criticises all they've just said and tells the group how they SHOULD be doing things and if they don't do them the way he thinks they should be done then they're out of line and should be thrown out.

And then when a few of the group offer some sage 'advice' this stranger stands back and looks hurt - before ripping back into members of the group for having the nerve to criticise his thoughts and opinions

Does anybody see a similarity to any thread on KB??

[scumdog]

If I could come up with nothing better than making accusations like noob, troll, monday morning quarterback, etc, then I would keep my mouth shut. Factual discussions and opinions are fine. If you spread dirt you just end up with a lot sticking to yourself and a bad smell. That's why I don't stoop to it myself. Feel free to continue in the same manner. You judge yourself by your actions.

You really haven't been on this site long, have you??
noob.

I started a constructive 'factual' rebuttal of the above but just couldn't be bothered.............

Besides, it doesn't sound like I would be allowed an opinon different to yours anyway.

[scumdog]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS]The challenge for KBers is to behave in a constructive manner, the challenge for coppers is to take our concerns seriously. I would also add that most of us have respect for the force.

Meh, I don't get paid to do 'challenges' maybe somebody else will oblige??

[spudchucka]

Lemme paint a picture.

A whole bunch of guys from all walks of life sitting around in a bar, some maybe having a drink or two.

All know each other, have a common interest and are comfortable with each others opinions, leg-pulling and stirring - even the awkward ones are accepted in the group, after all, they've been in each others company on and off for quite a while.

All of a sudden the bat-wing doors fly open and a young stranger noisily strides in looking around himself, he sees several discussions taking place and one or two subjects prick his interest so he strolls over to one group.

After listening for a minute he chimes in with his thoughts and opinions, he loudly tells a few members of a group how they don't know what they're doing, they're incompetent and so are their workmates, he criticises all they've just said and tells the group how they SHOULD be doing things and if they don't do them the way he thinks they should be done then they're out of line and should be thrown out.

And then when a few of the group offer some sage 'advice' this stranger stands back and looks hurt - before ripping back into members of the group for having the nerve to criticise his thoughts and opinions

Does anybody see a similarity to any thread on KB??

Sage advice? Not sure if that would work, you should just wave your one bar heater at them like you did to that car knocker down south! Perhaps Spankme could find a Scumdog emoticon that depicts the moment???

Anyway, its to be expected that there is so much "expert" opinion flying around on this topic. There certainly are issues to look at. The starting place would be the obstructive behaviour of the whole extended family under the guise of grief and cultural process.

The second would be the nature of the PC world we live in that appeared to hinder attempts to get the investigation rolling at the start.

Another would be the legal and judicial rights of suspects and witnesses involved but there's already another thread on that I think.

Finally, (and quite appropriately), the whole police investigation should be peer and independently reviewed to see if and where the investigating staff have made mistakes. Then and only then, if the results of that review prove incompetence, should corrective measures be taken up with the staff involved.

Baying for their blood on KB in the face of a failed prosecution once again only highlights the utter ignorance of those calling for the heads to roll.

[Maki]

Lemme paint a picture.

A whole bunch of guys from all walks of life sitting around in a bar, some maybe having a drink or two.

All know each other, have a common interest and are comfortable with each others opinions, leg-pulling and stirring - even the awkward ones are accepted in the group, after all, they've been in each others company on and off for quite a while.

All of a sudden the bat-wing doors fly open and a young stranger noisily strides in looking around himself, he sees several discussions taking place and one or two subjects prick his interest so he strolls over to one group.

After listening for a minute he chimes in with his thoughts and opinions, he loudly tells a few members of a group how they don't know what they're doing, they're incompetent and so are their workmates, he criticises all they've just said and tells the group how they SHOULD be doing things and if they don't do them the way he thinks they should be done then they're out of line and should be thrown out.

And then when a few of the group offer some sage 'advice' this stranger stands back and looks hurt - before ripping back into members of the group for having the nerve to criticise his thoughts and opinions

Does anybody see a similarity to any thread on KB??

Stupid picture, since I was the one who started this thread.

If you feel the police did a great job on the Kahui case, fine. Have another beer.

If your implication is that KB is a group of cop lovers and anyone who feels differently should just shut the hell up, then I am sure you will find some people here disagree.

[devnull]

Maki just doesn't seem to get it.

The cops were hamstrung by the PC bullshit that many here voted for... 2 weeks for the family to "grieve", then interference from politicians in an investigation. WTF did you think would happen?

Of course, politicians have been interfering before. I'm sure I'm not the only one that remembers how Helen Clark leaked bullshit to the media so she could get rid of Doone and replace him with Howard Broad and his sidekick Pope.

You want a better performing police force?

Then stop politicians from fucking with it and let good cops run it instead of condoning the appointment of political lackeys.

One good idea that came out of this is that we should create a Crown Prosecutors office. A group of lawyers who's job it is to provide the best legal advice to the police in order to secure a conviction. I'm actually surprised that a politician had enough brains to even make the suggestion.

Something else we're missing is varying degrees of murder. There've been cases recently in the press where police have only been able to charge the offender with manslaughter, because they can't show intent. Huge difference between the two charges - being a dickhead and killing someone should attract a charge of something stronger than manslaughter.

The whole Kahui thing just goes to show that it's way past time people were told they can shove all the PC bullshit where the sun don't shine - they'll be held and interrogated straight away if they're suspected of a crime.

Our whole legal system has become increasingly fucked up with all the touchy feely crap now. Just look at the bloke down the line that shot the tyres out on the car those little crims were driving. WTF is with that?

Guy deserves a medal, not a conviction.

All that tells the rest of us is that if you find yourself in a similar situation, aim higher, and dispose of the bodies carefully.

[Maki]

That's a very good post, devnull and a refreshing change from the efforts of some other people...

You recognize the fact that the police have a problem and something needs to be done. We are on the same page. Like I said before, I am sure most police officers are good people who mean well.

[Dakara]

Hrmmm, the good old NZ Police debate again... suppose I'll throw in my 2c worth then stfu and sit on the sideline again

Some advise I was given by my boss in an old job:

"If a Customer has a problem and you resolve it they will become far more loyal than a customer who has never had a problem"

"If a loyal customer has problem and you are unable to (or don't) resolve it, they will forget everything else and focus on that"

In the above example, it was in relation to myself as a Charter Pilot and the difficult passengers, but is just as Valid in regard the to the NZ cops.

I've had my share of tickets over the years, all of which I was anywhere from 12-20km over the limit. I was in the wrong, I paid the fine, I got over it, no ill-feelings whatsoever (apart from maybe the lady cop who pulled me over at 3am for doing 95 in spaghetti junction... last time I sober drive my mates WRX )

Anyway, I was rather anti-cops for a few years. On my 18th birthday I was arrested in Parnell for Disorderly... My friends and I were walking down Parnell Rd to the next bar, and I mate (who was meeting up with us) jumped out from a side road and half tackled me. After he let go, and we were all having a good laugh I feel my arm behind my back and was being arrested. Then when our sober driver asked us if he should stick around, he was arrested for talking to a prisoner!!! Anyway, spent most of the night in lockup, had a court appearance (as I disputed it) and in the arresting officers report it said we were exchanging punches, and I at one stage I had my mate in a headlock above my head?!!? Anyway, blah blah blah.... Discharge without conviciton.

I was arrested by some ex high school jock who went to the cops because they pay new recruits so bloddy much... attracting the wrong people I think.

Anyway, it was very easy for that ordeal to distort my view of the Police (even though it was 7 years ago), especially with all the bad media they get, but you have ask yourself... for each case that gets reported by the NZ media (which really struggles to fill an hour of worthwhile news each night), how many other idiots were put behind bars that we don't hear about?

Long winded post I know, but my whole point is... it's Human nature to make an assumption on a negative experience. You could meet 100 good cops, but as soon as you meet one fuckwit, you percieve they all are.... Makes me wonder how many people are scared of flying cos I fucked up a landing

-Edit-

On a side note, would be a far better idea to pay the new recruits half of what they get now, and then put the extra money into the old boys salaries so they stick around a bit longer... Anyone with a half a brain should look at what they'll be earning in 10 years opposed to what they earn on day 1, which is why I think there has been a recent influx of new cops with less than half a brain.... including some of my "Friends"

[peasea]

It is indeed dispicable...I had once something like that happening and filed an official complaint in writing to the police complaints authorithy....I got a real nice police officer visiting a few times, apologising etc.
But people need to react if they want things to change.....
Complain in writing, go visit your local MP, especialy so close to election
time....

Edmund Burke said all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Do not allow evil to triumph. Do not do sit by and do nothing..........

Ahh, the Police Complaints Authority, that bastion of........well, fuck all. The whitewashing machine that puts all whitewashing machines in their place. Fisher and Paykel couldn't have done better if they'd tried. IT'S A CROCK! The sooner it is dissolved, the better. We need an indepenent overseer for that lot. The PCA investigating the police is as honest as Fat Albert looking in the mirror and proclaiming himself as anorexic.

At last count I think about 3.5% of complaints against police were upheld in a 12 month period. Man, there must be a hell of a lot of people out there making false claims against the cops huh? A nation of liars in fact? I don't think so, I think the liars are often in blue uniforms and they are backed by low-life scum in the PCA.

It's a conspiracy I tell you!

[peasea]

You could meet 100 good cops, but as soon as you meet one fuckwit...

You got that back to front............