Singh family complaining about the police

[scumdog]

Hm. That makes me wonder if such incidents as this are being deliberately "arranged" to foster support for armed police. .

Yup, we have victims volunteering to be such to add weight to the argument that we need armed police,,,pffft!

[scumdog]

I thought 9mm was .45...?

9mm = .357" (give or take)

[imdying]

I didn't read beyond the first sentence, you're in lah lah land.

QFT.... seriously Ixion, wtf? I like a good argument for the sake of it, but seriously.... wtf?

[Ixion]

For clarification: the "incident" being the delay in getting medical attention for Mr Singh.Since the police members are arguing that the delay was because they are not routinely armed.

See this mornings harold - so I'm not the only one making a connection

He denied that police were being opportunistic by revealing the plans for armed patrols while there was so much public concern and criticism of the police response to Mr Singh's killing, saying all critical incidents provided "impetus".

[devnull]

9mm = .357" (give or take)

Yep, though some .40 weapons can chamber and fire a 9mm round (was a homicide in the US where a Navy guy used a 9mm cartridge in his .40 to commit a murder. It had the ballistics people scratching their heads at first, because of the skipping of the rifling marks on the slug)

.73" has gotta be a good choice - a.k.a. 12 guage

I must admit, if I was a cop, I'd want to be able to use a bit more than harsh words and pepper spray.

As it stands, we don't have enough cops on the street i.e. front line as opposed to behind a desk. But the public can and should do their bit too. I wonder who knows anything about the origins of policing and a bloke called Robert Peel.

If we had some politicians with some balls, perhaps we'd get back to the way policing is mean't to work - a partnership between the Police and the public.

As it stands now though, while I wouldn't hesitate to take whatever steps I felt necessary to incapacitate an intruder, i'd think twice about reporting it, because the law favours the offender, not the victim

(NB - I'm sure Helen has balls - you can't tell me that's female - but it'll be a cold day in Hell before her or her cronies stand up for the rights of the law-abiding public)

[spudchucka]

For clarification: the "incident" being the delay in getting medical attention for Mr Singh.Since the police members are arguing that the delay was because they are not routinely armed.

See this mornings harold - so I'm not the only one making a connection

Even put into that context the notion is the product of a mind that has completely lost touch with reality.

[Ixion]

Even put into that context the notion is the product of a mind that has completely lost touch with reality.

I'm sure Police acting national operations manager Superintendent John Rivers would be interested to hear your opinion of his mental state

Mr Rivers said there was a "strong and obvious connection" [between the armed patrol proposal ]with Mr Singh's murder. Police have been criticised for rigidly following procedure in waiting 24 minutes from the 111 call until entering the shop where he lay dying.

Full text here

Though perhaps you will tell us that the Harold is making it all up again

Mind you, you may well be right about the senior plodocracy having lost touch with reality. I can agree with you on that

[Jantar]

After reading through 12 pages of discussion at cross purposes, it boils down to:

1. The ambulance staff are not permitted to advance beyond the safe point until cleared by police.

2. Police SOP is to not put officers at risk until they are sure the offenders have left the area, and only then can they clear the ambulance staff to proceed.

3. The family of the victim were told that the ambulance was only a minute away, when in fact it was still waiting to be cleared into the scene.

As far as I can see, if the family had been told the truth, and told where the ambulance was waiting, they could have taken the victim to the ambulance and saved around 20 minutes. Therefore, blame, if blame is warranted, is to the comms centre for not being truthfull.

[KiwiRat]

I didn't read beyond the first sentence, you're in lah lah land.

I think he's standing on the grassy knoll with the guys who organised 9-11.

[Robbo]

After reading through 12 pages of discussion at cross purposes, it boils down to:

1. The ambulance staff are not permitted to advance beyond the safe point until cleared by police.

2. Police SOP is to not put officers at risk until they are sure the offenders have left the area, and only then can they clear the ambulance staff to proceed.

3. The family of the victim were told that the ambulance was only a minute away, when in fact it was still waiting to be cleared into the scene.

As far as I can see, if the family had been told the truth, and told where the ambulance was waiting, they could have taken the victim to the ambulance and saved around 20 minutes. Therefore, blame, if blame is warranted, is to the comms centre for not being truthfull.

Correct on points 1 and 2 Jantar but as for number 3 the Only Blame that can be placed onto this tragic incident is against those murdering Scum that carried out this violent murder/robbery in the first place.
These mongrels should be executed as we do not need or want them living in our society and breathing our precious air.
The Services involved can only do the best they can with the information and resources that they have available to them at the time. I think that the police have done a great job in locating and arresting these Lowlife Scum in such a short time. I just hope that now our Justice System does'nt go and stuff it all up and that they get let off.
Just remember that it will be yours and my taxes that will be paying the legal aid bill for these Bastards.

[Sollyboy]

What we need is to accept that the police need to be routinely armed. This is the only way that we can achieve rapid response to armed incidents.

Id have to agree , Id like to see more armed police ,Its only the scum who would be shot who should fear the police having guns, but we know what this country is like do gooders will complain and it wont happen . guns are ok ,tazers no thanks

[scumdog]

,tazers no thanks

Funny how the limp-wristed greenie Pollyanna human right twats seem to have that line of thought.
Dreamers.

[98tls]

Maybe this election we could vote on the death penalty thing and those that oppose it can have a portion of there weekly wage deducted to feed/house etc those that commit this sort of crime,hell if it went the other way i would gladly put in for the axe.

[devnull]

Funny how the limp-wristed greenie Pollyanna human right twats seem to have that line of thought.
Dreamers.

Yep - makes you wonder what on earth they're thinking.
Way less risk than a piece of lead rushing through the offender

One thing I do disagree with is switching to Bushmasters though.

A high velocity round goes a long way if it misses, and a ricochet will go pretty far.

I would've thought they'd be handing out something like the Mossberg 590 - pump action 12 gauge, the ghost ring sights are good in low light, and less risk of ricochets.

Given that most encounters would take place at under 30 yds, it'd seem an ideal choice (and better to handle, given the limited range time officers currently get)

The spread of 00 buckshot from an unchoked barrel isn't huge at those sort of ranges, and you have a better chance of putting the target down

[KiwiRat]

Maybe this election we could vote on the death penalty thing and those that oppose it can have a portion of there weekly wage deducted to feed/house etc those that commit this sort of crime,hell if it went the other way i would gladly put in for the axe.

I'm all for the gallows, chair, etc, but in the USA it's apparently cheaper to keep someone incarcerated for life(and that means life) than to execute someone.

The average 10 year appeal process must jack the cost up something chronic.