Why the WRB campaign is going nowhere.

[James Deuce]

then that leaves the very very very small amount of accidents involving just the rider - most of which the rider will pick him self up with a bruised ego and a broken bike.

Total bullshit. Most open road accidents are riders losing control on bends.

Most urban accidents are motorcyclists putting the rules ahead of their personal safety at intersections.

[Morcs]

Total bullshit. Most open road accidents are riders losing control on bends.

Most urban accidents are motorcyclists putting the rules ahead of their personal safety at intersections.

I agree with the second part Jim.

But are there really that many open road accidents because of corners?
I know theres always a few, but surely not as many as urban?

PS. love the avatar: 'hey-baby-wanna-have-your ass-licked-by-a-fat-man-in-an-overcoat?'

[Katman]

Katman,

Your root cause analysis is incorrect.

A biker with an attitude is no harm to anyone (generally)

we have all ego's, its a trait of being a biker - we are superior road users.

Cars are the danger.

Ban cars, and all car-related motorcycle accidents will reduce

then that leaves the very very very small amount of accidents involving just the rider - most of which the rider will pick him self up with a bruised ego and a broken bike.

You couldn't be much more wrong if you tried.

The general public's perception that motorcyclists are just a bunch of bikers with attitudes is the very reason we struggle to be taken seriously when we do have a grievance.

[James Deuce]

I agree with the second part Jim.

But are there really that many open road accidents because of corners?
I know theres always a few, but surely not as many as urban?

PS. love the avatar: 'hey-baby-wanna-have-your ass-licked-by-a-fat-man-in-an-overcoat?'

Waaaay more than you think.

Type of crash by speed limit area and crash severity, 2002 - 2006 (from Ministry of Transport Site fact sheet: http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/...et-July-07.pdf)

Of 117 Rural fatal accidents total during that period 38 were down to riders losing control on a bend.

There were 17 of that kind of fatal accident in an urban area during the same period and 17 urban area fatal accidents at intersections during the same period.

More than twice as many fatal accidents for the period 2002-2006 just for riders losing control on a bend in a rural setting than combined for losing control on a bend and fatal accidents at intersections in an urban setting.

That's just fatals. Injury and non-injury single vehicle accidents in a rural setting will vastly outnumber their urban comparisons.

The loss of control on a bend also directly contributes to about 1/3rd of the fatal head-on collision stats as well.

[Maha]

Personally, I hate those damn power poles. Those are evil, and a danger to motorcyclists... you guys gonna go something about those next? This should be even more important than a handful of WRBs... power poles are everywhere!

Fuck yeah they should be made of rubber, non conductive and very safe.

Yeah, and I think the paint they use on the road should be gritted paint. How wide spread is the slippery paint of death!

Why would even comment on road marking paint?....if you are trying to draw parallels between paint and the 'subject matter', then you have FAILED!

Cant be going that bad, it was all over the radio at work this morning.
Sick of hearing about it, so promplty changed to another station.

With your driving abilities???..refer to this http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=76609 you for one, should be lisenting


Heres what was said yesterday about replies such as the ones above.

'' There are those around that, dont have the nouce, but what they do have is spare time. And what they would rather do with that 'spare time' is be obstructive to those who give a shit, or slag off at a cause that a percentage of us who are willing to devote our 'spare time' to. ''

[The Lone Rider]

Why would even comment on road marking paint?....if you are trying to draw parallels between paint and the 'subject matter', then you have FAILED!
''

Uh, no.

I think they should actually put grit in the paint

Haven't you ever ridden over iced and sodden arrows on a blind turn in the hills?

[BMW_RACER]

With your driving abilities???..refer to this http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=76609 you for one, should be lisenting


Heres what was said yesterday about replies such as the ones above.

'' There are those around that, dont have the nouce, but what they do have is spare time. And what they would rather do with that 'spare time' is be obstructive to those who give a shit, or slag off at a cause that a percentage of us who are willing to devote our 'spare time' to. ''

Yeah man I got so much spare time, I should be helping the WRB campaign. I could deliver flyers and everything.

But nah.

[Maha]

Uh, no.

I think they should actually put grit in the paint

Haven't you ever ridden over iced and sodden arrows on a blind turn in the hills?

Serious answer here
We dont get icey condition up here at all so no I have not....do they really have arrows on blind corners in the hills around CH-CH??
If so, then I put it to you, make some noise about it, or you could just accept thats the way it is.

[The Lone Rider]

If so, then I put it to you, make some noise about it, or you could just accept thats the way it is.

But.. but... I take responsibility for my riding.

I slow down.

[MSTRS:Me]

But.. but... I take responsibility for my riding.

I slow down.

Yea. That'll stop anything bad happening. For sure.

[dangerous]

Yea. That'll stop anything bad happening. For sure.

He's not the full quid mate, he will learn about life one day, maybe... same goes for the darft post of imdying's poles are a problem, true but lets just start with the more basic and something that will be taken serious like the WRB's telegraph poles LMFAO.

[cowboyz]

of course it will. havent you seen the adverts on tv. Its all about the speed.

[Katman]

As far as this comment goes "See, that's half the problem. You don't even have the support of all motorcyclists" I did not realise we actually needed it.

I think that is exactly what you need to be aiming for.

Personally I think the weekends Rescue helicopter ride would have been better served had it not incorporated the WRB campaign at all. A totally self-less gesture by motorcyclists could have done wonders for the image of Motorcycling. Instead we now have some of the public refocusing on how we bring all our ills upon ourselves.

[Mom]

Personally I think the weekends Rescue helicopter ride ...

Good for you, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I personally am extremely proud of the part I played this weekend past in raising $10,000 odd for Rescue helicopters around the country, and the fact that so many of us managed to take part in rides without any stupidity or mishaps, despite the weather that some of us experienced.

The cheesecutter issue has been simmering along under the radar for months, it is now back upfront. I make no apology for that, in fact I am also feeling fairly content around my part in raising of the profile of this issue again. Your continued attempts to draw some of us into a shit fight is pathetic.

Sorry mate, not interested. Each to their own really.

[Katman]

I personally am extremely proud of the part I played this weekend past in raising $10,000 odd for Rescue helicopters around the country, and the fact that so many of us managed to take part in rides without any stupidity or mishaps, despite the weather that some of us experienced.

I, also, am extremely proud of (and grateful for) the effort that you, Maha and all the others involved put into that part of the event.