Why the WRB campaign is going nowhere.

[98tls]

Yeah sixth sense, 90% of car drivers are fuckwits. The other 10% are bikers, have been bikers, or are family/ friend of a biker. The 10% bother to look.

The 90% are blind morons who should be treated as such.

Sorry Mark not what i meant but hope you get there.

[dangerous]

I don't have the figures to back me up, but I've had at least 3 crashes from cars pulling out in front of me, and not being able to avoid them. How is this rider error?

After the first car pulled out in front of you, you would expect more to do so ...wouldn't you ??? You weren't expecting them, which does not equate to WONT HAPPEN to "me" again. You chose to ignore the "fact" that it may happen again. And it did...twice more.

Ignoring warnings is ignorance.

hmmm... this is getting tricky, FJ you have a very good point and one i agree with, Death, I dont believe it should have happend two more times, you should have fore seen it, I can only asume you were away with the feeries or booting it.

But FJ, it is NOT ignorance... but inexperance on the road (riding ability on the track is 90% eralervant on the road) its about having the fore site of whats about to happen.

yeah death is the same age as me, and possibly covered the same milage I dont know and am only asuming, however I learnt after one acco were a car turned in front of me and seeing it happen to others that I expect it to happen, this is not a lack of ignorance but inexperance, cos I sure as hell can still be an ignorant prick


NB: sometimes suituations can be out of ones control

[DEATH_INC.]

After the first car pulled out in front of you, you would expect more to do so ...wouldn't you ??? You weren't expecting them, which does not equate to WONT HAPPEN to "me" again.

Wrong again. I saw all of them coming, only too late to avoid them. In all three cases the cars were stationary and then shot in front of me at the last second. Unless I had stopped in the middle of the road on the off chance they were gonna do it, and risked being run over from behind, they were unavoidable. Only one was from the left, the others shot across from the right.
There is a reason I drive a farkin big UAV when not on the bike (or in the work ute), and strangely enough, in the 10 years I've owned it I've only ever had to avoid 1 or 2 cars...but that's another story...

[carver]

Yeah well can you go fucking die already instead of fucking up everything for the rest of us?

no..........

[DEATH_INC.]

Just thought I'd point out that I do accept 'rider error' in some cases, I have 'been there done that' too....

[Headbanger]

Just thought I'd point out that I do accept 'rider error' in some cases, I have 'been there done that' too....

Shouldn't have to defend yourself, These jokers have hopped off their bikes and are now perched on high horses......

[James Deuce]

There's no high horse. Every accident I've had has been my fault including the one where the drunk ran me over.

Beats me why no one seems to be able to see how everything they do contributes in a lesser or greater way to every outcome.

It's called personal responsibility, but the reality of having to take ownership of the very simple concept of personal responsibility is why we're afflicted with a grossly disproportionate welfare system and a Govermental system, irrespective of its position on the political spectrum, that tries to create legislation and systems for every eventuality that a minority of New Zealanders seem to create. No one actually wants to be "personally responsible".

I managed to put myself in a physical place and an ego driven headspace by having an argument with my wife and then celebrating doing just what she said I had no hope of doing. I wasn't my normal timid self, wasn't scanning side streets and never saw the car with its headlights off exit the side street controlled by a stop sign. My fault. I was too busy mentalling dancing to the "nyah nyah" tune in my head to be running through the normal list of checks and disaster anticipations that I normally do and got nailed.

To the casual observer, and indeed the legal and ACC systems, I was the victim. I wasn't. I was dick with a small penis and a bad attitude and I paid for it.

I'm sitting here with a neck brace on, drugged to the eyeballs, and waiting to hear about my scan appointments because my neck has collapsed for the first time in 10 years. I had 4 compression fractures in my back and a whiplash injury in that accident. The drunk guy that hit me and then ran me over was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[MSTRS:Me]

You're being too hard on yourself there, Jim. Sure, your mindset at the time may have had a hand in things...but honestly, Expecting to see a car, in the dark with no lights on, pulling out as you describe is beyond the point of personal responsibility. Fuck, if that was the case (responsibility-wise) everytime 'we' got caught, then why would we even get out of bed?

[James Deuce]

My fault. I should have stayed another night in Christchurch with my wife and had a pleasant time, but I had to prove I was a "man" and make it to Picton for the ferry so I could go to work the next day. I didn't go to work for 3 months.

I don't think people are hard ENOUGH on themselves when they are involved in ANY accident. They shouldn't happen. They should be a mark of shame and incompetence. Instead they seem to be an excuse factory.

[Katman]

I don't think people are hard ENOUGH on themselves when they are involved in ANY accident. They shouldn't happen. They should be a mark of shame and incompetence. Instead they seem to be an excuse factory.

Let it all out Jim.

(And of course, I agree with you completely).

[MSTRS:Me]

I just don't buy into the theory that 100% of things that happen are 'our' fault, Certainly we can own our part in it, but to own all of it just belittles us, and allows the real 'offender' the luxury of being fault-free.
That is the actions of a masochist and I just don't accept it.

[James Deuce]

There's nothing masochistic about it. I was stupid and paid for it. The guy at the other end got punished, but the ultimate responsibility lies with me. I certainly didn't bear him any ill will, even at the time. Weird, eh?

2 of my other accidents were caused by being late for work. Not really worth it. Broken wrist for one of them and a written off bike for the other. The fact that someone changed lanes far too quickly and nailed me in one of them is most likely because I was accelerating hard and he didn't check his mirrors properly. The other one served me right. I smelled the diesel. I saw the landslide caused by the truck hitting the cliff face as he rounded the bend. I still fell off. That one was caused by a habitual mindset. A road I knew and a mental refusal to use the other side of the road to avoid the hazard, despite the way through being perfectly visible. My fault. I should have been riding within myself both times, but was rushing to work instead.

Another one by me being too sick to be riding. Pneumonia and motorcycles don't go together.

[Katman]

I just don't buy into the theory that 100% of things that happen are 'our' fault, Certainly we can own our part in it, but to own all of it just belittles us, and allows the real 'offender' the luxury of being fault-free.
That is the actions of a masochist and I just don't accept it.

But far too few motorcyclists are prepared to even consider that there might have been something that they could have done to avoid an accident and instead just fall back on the catch cry "But it wasn't my fault".

[MSTRS:Me]

But far too few motorcyclists ...

Less than you think, I'd say, however Jim is at the other end of the scale for accepting responsibility...and would be in limited company.

[Katman]

Less than you think, I'd say, however Jim is at the other end of the scale for accepting responsibility...and would be in limited company.

Are you suggesting the problems worse than I imagined?

And if Jim were in far greater company motorcyclists would be in a position where the powers that be might begin to take us seriously.