Why the WRB campaign is going nowhere.

[MSTRS:Me]

Obtuse, as usual...

[Headbanger]

Beats me why no one seems to be able to see how everything they do contributes in a lesser or greater way to every outcome.

That's the horse I'm talking about.

That aside, Your logic is extreme, You consider yourself at fault for being there at that place and time?

Doesn't that hold true then for anyone getting out of bed and going about their day?, Or what about someone whose too scared to get out of bed and then dies in a house fire?

[James Deuce]

That's the horse I'm talking about.

That aside, Your logic is extreme, You consider yourself at fault for being there at that place and time?

Doesn't that hold true then for anyone getting out of bed and going about their day?, Or what about someone whose too scared to get out of bed and then dies in a house fire?

Read what I wrote and try to understand it. You're applying your own analysis because what I've said strikes too close to home. I did not say anything that relates to your second paragraph at all. You chose to interpret that way. This is the common reaction I get when I posit this argument.

I had an ego burp and it almost killed me. Ego has no place on a motorcycle. Why can you guys not see that making a bad decision at the start of journey can lead to a bad outcome?

Drider87 said the same thing I said a couple days ago and people were lauding his decision to go home and park the bike, yet for some reason you're trying to defend my bad decision because I chose to put myself in the worst position a motorcyclist can - riding when the bad voices are in charge.

[Headbanger]

Read what I wrote and try to understand it. You're applying your own analysis because what I've said strikes too close to home. I did not say anything that relates to your second paragraph at all. You chose to interpret that way. This is the common reaction I get when I posit this argument.

I had an ego burp and it almost killed me. Ego has no place on a motorcycle. Why can you guys not see that making a bad decision at the start of journey can lead to a bad outcome?

Drider87 said the same thing I said a couple days ago and people were lauding his decision to go home and park the bike, yet for some reason you're trying to defend my bad decision because I chose to put myself in the worst position a motorcyclist can - riding when the bad voices are in charge.

I don't quite know how to answer you, Though after reading your post through a number of times I stand by what I have posted.

I'm sure just about everyone (with a few exceptions) is aware their well being is their own responsibility, If you want to beat yourself up over the incident where you clearly were not at fault then I dunno, have you considered counselling?, Sounds to me like you have a few things to deal with.

Please don't take this has a snarky post, Its not intended that way.

[James Deuce]

Well that's an interesting approach. Someone doesn't share your zeitgeist, so they must be insane. Which I guess is technically the very definition of insanity.

But so is trying to blame everyone else for issues you've created for yourself. Every time you give yourself a little fright on a bike you screwed up. But the way I read it, every time a KBer gives themself a little fright, it's the road's fault, the barrier's fault, it's other road user's fault, it's LTNZ's fault because I should be allowed to travel in excess of twice the national speed limite everywhere, or Transit's fault for not spending their ever decreasing budget in a way designed to specifically benefit motorcyclists.

[vifferman]

That aside, Your logic is extreme, You consider yourself at fault for being there at that place and time?

I guess you don't get it, but I do.
I have had a number of "not my fault" incidents, but like James the Deuce, I considered that every one was avoidable and therefore my fault. It's just taking responsibility and being accountable for my actions, including being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm sure that the right mindset before or during the incident may have prevented it, whereas the fact it happened was a combination of factors, most of which were under my control. Including the time I embarked, the speed I was traveling, my attitude, my expectations, etc. This even includes one time when I was rear-ended at a stop sign (no damage to me or the bike).
I have had collisions with four cars, a cyclist and a pedestrian, and in every case, legally I was in the right (apart from the first car I hit, which I didn't see). In none of them did I consider myself innocent or absolve myself from blame. It was convenient that I was legally not at fault as far as insurance purposes were concerned, but that's it.

[Katman]

I've said it elsewhere but I'll add it here.....

Over an almost 20 year period (since coming back to NZ I've changed my riding style from that which I was guilty of in London) I had countless accidents. Try as I might, I can't think of one single one that was, if not my fault entirely, at least avoidable by some action that was within my scope of responsibility.

[Katman]

And furthermore, the lack of accepting personal responsibility shown in statements like "the cheesecutter killed Daniel and NOTHING else" (voiced by a number on here) is one of the main reasons the WRB campaign is struggling to gain even the support of all motorcyclists.

If statements like the above were to to be voiced to the general public the WRB campaign would risk becoming a laughing stock.

[Firefight]

Well that's an interesting approach. Someone doesn't share your zeitgeist, so they must be insane. Which I guess is technically the very definition of insanity.
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F/F shit posted twice, sorry

[Firefight]

Well that's an interesting approach. Someone doesn't share your zeitgeist, so they must be insane. Which I guess is technically the very definition of insanity.
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yeah totally agree Jim/James what ever your new name is

and as always well written, agree with the whole post,, rep earned.


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[Maha]

And furthermore, the lack of accepting personal responsibility shown in statements like "the cheesecutter killed Daniel and NOTHING else" (voiced by a number on here) is one of the main reasons the WRB campaign is struggling to gain even the support of all motorcyclists.

If statements like the above were to to be voiced to the general public the WRB campaign would risk becoming a laughing stock.

Going to War didnt kill many Soldiers.......bullets did.

[Pwalo]

Going to War didnt kill many Soldiers.......bullets did.

Nah, I think you'll find it was mainly diseases, infections, etc that have killed most soldiers. Sad but true.

I have no idea what relation that has to this thread.

[Headbanger]

I guess you don't get it, but I do.

His point being he wasn't paying attention so its his fault?

If he wants to feel that way then good for him, Sounds to me like the lot of you need to give up bikes, Not only do you all seem to suck at it you want to preach to everybody that they suck at it to but they just haven't realised it yet.And no salvation for anyone until they break down and admit it.

[Deano]

Did anyone else see the show on TV last night (sorry didn't catch which channel), which was all about making road sign poles safer for vehicles ? (Europe I think)

They showed a small car hitting a steel pole -it careened off to the side and rolled - possibly killing the driver.

They then showed an 'aluminum concertina' type of pole, which was flattened when the small car collided with it. No injury to occupants.

I thought it was quite interesting and had parallels with the WRB issue.

[James Deuce]

His point being he wasn't paying attention so its his fault?

If he wants to feel that way then good for him, Sounds to me like the lot of you need to give up bikes, Not only do you all seem to suck at it you want to preach to everybody that they suck at it to but they just haven't realised it yet.And no salvation for anyone until they break down and admit it.

You didn't read it. You can't have if you keep saying things like that. You've got to stop misquoting and paraphrasing me.