Power Commanders

[1vanvan1]

I'm looking at getting a power commander for my bike.

Just wondering if anyone else has one on theres. And is there a noticable difference to the power delivery?

[Pussy]

I'm looking at getting a power commander for my bike.

Just wondering if anyone else has one on theres. And is there a noticable difference to the power delivery?

Yes, there is a big difference in power delivery. I had one on a K4 GSX-R1000.
To get the benefit from a power commander, you will have to shell out approx $500.00 and get a custom map done. There are several Dyno-Jet tuning centres around the country. I have only used Gary Pendleton in Tauranga, and he does a superb job

[1vanvan1]

Yeah, There is one on trademe for $150 for my year of bike.

It has all the cables and stuff.

So i would have to get a map made for it?

Im not exactly mechanically minded with these sorts of things.

[Cajun]

$150 for it is good buying they are around $500-$600 new

You can download a map from the net, and upload it to thats a good sarting point

but for best use you need a custom map, there is a couple of people in akl amps, etc, that can do this for you you should budjet about $500 for this

Putting a pc3 on smooths out the curve, and will help remove any dips in it that often come stock.

For 150 i would buy and throw it on, and map it at a later stage

[Pussy]

When one of the tuning centres does the job, the power commander is set to make fuelling changes every 250 rpm, with 10 different throttle positions every 250 rpm as well. I thought I had a pretty good map in my power commander (it was a map for the mods I had on my bike), and didn't think Gary could make it much better. I was wrong! Felt like a different bike after the custom mapping

[1vanvan1]

So you are saying it will cost $500 to get someone to make me a custom map?

The one i am looking at is a pc3. Does it come with maps on it?

[The Stranger:Me]

I'm looking at getting a power commander for my bike.

Just wondering if anyone else has one on theres. And is there a noticable difference to the power delivery?

I have one on both my bikes.
Even with just the PC alone the Fazer picked up 5hp peak but also gained right across the rev range.
The XT picked up a whole 2.5hp peak, however peak was not what I was mainly after, it picked up between 2 and 3hp right through the entire rev range, which is actually better than I had expected.

If you are a member of a forum you may be able to get a map that is close enough to get you by, but I also would recommend you have your bike custom mapped.
Last 2 of mine were done at Henderson Motorcycles and cost less than $300.00 each.

[1vanvan1]

If you are a member of a forum you may be able to get a map that is close enough to get you by, but I also would recommend you have your bike custom mapped. .

So does that mean I could find someone else with a map for a 03 CBR600RR and use that?

The one on trademe im looking at says it is for a 03-04 CBR600RR so would that mean it has a map i can use?

[Pussy]

It will have a map you can USE, or you can download one, but the best result is have it custom mapped for your bike

[1vanvan1]

Ok i see. Thanks

[The Stranger:Me]

So does that mean I could find someone else with a map for a 03 CBR600RR and use that?

The one on trademe im looking at says it is for a 03-04 CBR600RR so would that mean it has a map i can use?

There are a lot of ifs.

If you find somone from overseas with a map and use that, you will not know for sure if it is tha same model, many bikes have differences to the computers etc between models made for different countries.

When you look at the maps available on the Fazer and the XT forums they are all remarkably similar world over, which gives a pretty good indicator that there is not a great deal of difference country to country. But you can't just assume.

What was the state of tune of their bike?
Where did they get their map from?
We recently had injectors tested from 2 identical make/model/year bikes and found about 12% difference in the flow rates, so it is not likely that even if the state of tune is identical that the map will be optimal. Though it may well be usable.

A zero map will give you standard fueling, so should be 100% safe, so there is always that option as an interim measure. You could pick a conservative map (from a group of similarly tuned bikes of the same model) and use that also. You would likely see some gain from that.

But - you will definately see best gains only when it is custom mapped.

[1vanvan1]

Cool, I had a look on the power commander site.

They have maps for my year and model bike with lotsa dif mods.

Like they have my bike, my year, with a micron sip on. So i thought it would be best just to use that?

[Cajun]

Cool, I had a look on the power commander site.

They have maps for my year and model bike with lotsa dif mods.

Like they have my bike, my year, with a micron sip on. So i thought it would be best just to use that?

yep start with that, be a good place to start. it be good just not perfect

often its a good idea to use a europan map than a usa map (they use total different fuel)

[1vanvan1]

yep start with that, be a good place to start. it be good just not perfect

often its a good idea to use a europan map than a usa map (they use total different fuel)

So we use similar fuel to European countries? I did read that somewhere but was unsure which one we would be.

[johan]

Basically a PCIII let you sort out a the air/fuel ratio by adding/subtracting fuel to the stock fuel map. As a result, you will most likely gain a few ponies, but more importantly, you make sure the engine isn't running lean, which most bike are from the factory (to meet emission standards etc).
Ask to see the air/fuel curve plotted from the dyno run. In general, a nice straight curve is good. Compare before/after fitting PC.

Don't be too fixated to the HP numbers. A good A/F tune first, then as a bonus, you'll see increased power output.

Also, when fitting after market exhausts, you're letting more air flow through the system, thus running the engine even more lean. The PC will once again let you add more fuel and make sure you're not running too lean.