Close call rant - Oceania Bus reg#2003

[newby]

You obviously couldn't read where the OP stated "Shiny Oceania bus, runs along the bus lane, then into lane 1. I'm lane 2,"
Do you normally change lanes onto other vehicles like this?

The question is, why were you in lane two if there was nothing in lane one? Stay as far left at all times...there is a reason for that rule.

[newby]

why is it all bus drivers tend to be fucking awful, pushy, dangerous drivers... i mean, i know they are fucking upset with their lives but surely they can have some care for others... jesus the way they push into the traffic sometimes is rediculously dangerous....

Thats a bit like asking why all KB forum users seem to be perfect riders...haha

[Swoop]

This is not what the original post said. If the rider was passing then this situation wouldnt have happened in the first place.

MBB was in the centre lane. Bus in the left lane.
The bus decides to change lanes regardless of the fact that another road user is in the lane. The driver looked at the person/bike that was being put in danger.

This sounds like a "careless use" charge.

The question is, why were you in lane two if there was nothing in lane one? Stay as far left at all times...there is a reason for that rule.

You had better tell that to all the other truckies and bus drivers out there. There is some unwritten rule that says that heavy vehicles must stay in the centre lane. I see it all the time around Auckland.
It isn't like any other kiwi driver knows how to keep left though.

[Ixion]

The question is, why were you in lane two if there was nothing in lane one? Stay as far left at all times...there is a reason for that rule.

Fuck me, that's rich coming from an admitted truck driver. When was the last time anyone saw a truck keeping as far left as possible (actually I have seen it, very occasionally one encounters the old school lorry driver, who will pull left and wave you through. But it's is rare,and never seen in Auckland) .
If you are drving a truck and because of the defective design of your vehicle, you cannot ascertain that your intention to change lanes can be done safely , then don't do it.

(Incidentally, one might ask how the buses lane chnage fits in with "staying as far left as possible". If the bus had stayed as far left as possible, the OP would have had no problem )

[newby]

Fuck me, that's rich coming from an admitted truck driver. When was the last time anyone saw a truck keeping as far left as possible (actually I have seen it, very occasionally one encounters the old school lorry driver, who will pull left and wave you through. But it's is rare,and never seen in Auckland) .
If you are drving a truck and because of the defective design of your vehicle, you cannot ascertain that your intention to change lanes can be done safely , then don't do it.

(Incidentally, one might ask how the buses lane chnage fits in with "staying as far left as possible". If the bus had stayed as far left as possible, the OP would have had no problem )

As is said earlier, technically, and by law you are right. But in reality that wont keep you alive. Im sure it feels good to know technically it wasnt your fault when your lying in that coffin tho eh?

Also that bus has to get to lane three before the bridge starts, heavy vehicles are banned from lane one and two.

Im not disagreeing with the legality of the situation. Im trying to enlighten you as to how to avoid the situation in the first place and keep your arse alive.

Non-thinking muppets on bikes will die.

[newby]

I had better add to that.

Non thinking muppets on bikes will be killed by non thinking muppets driving heavier vehicles. But that doesnt count for much after the incident. The non thinking muppet heavy vehicle driver still gets to go home.

[Swoop]

Also that bus has to get to lane three before the bridge starts, heavy vehicles are banned from lane one and two.

I'm quite sure that the busdriver could have achieved this quite safely, having approximately 1km to do this, but did not do so on this occasion.

The rule "Give way to traffic on your right" also applies to general road useage, not just at intersections.

[98tls]

As is said earlier, technically, and by law you are right. But in reality that wont keep you alive. Im sure it feels good to know technically it wasnt your fault when your lying in that coffin tho eh?

Also that bus has to get to lane three before the bridge starts, heavy vehicles are banned from lane one and two.

Im not disagreeing with the legality of the situation. Im trying to enlighten you as to how to avoid the situation in the first place and keep your arse alive.

Non-thinking muppets on bikes will die.

Truck drivers/bus drivers and 4wd drivers you all fuck me off at one time or another but hey thats life.what i dont get is why you think onus is on people on bikes to make up for a truck driver or there mirrors defects,dont get me wrong i am sure you guys see a lot of bad driving on a daily basis but at the end of the day eh.................

[newby]

We posted at the same time, but yes your right.

My hope now is that anyone who has read this, when next out on the highway will see a truck/bus and think "hey that fuckwit newby might be driving that truck, and might not see me even though he has mirrors, so i will either follow behind, or get in front, or be anywhere else other than right next to those 25ton of steel so that even if he does move, i wont get hit!

Its not that difficult.

[Ixion]

As is said earlier, technically, and by law you are right. But in reality that wont keep you alive. Im sure it feels good to know technically it wasnt your fault when your lying in that coffin tho eh?

Also that bus has to get to lane three before the bridge starts, heavy vehicles are banned from lane one and two.

Im not disagreeing with the legality of the situation. Im trying to enlighten you as to how to avoid the situation in the first place and keep your arse alive.

Non-thinking muppets on bikes will die.

So, what you are saying, is that truck drivers will drive in a manner which they know to be illegal, which they recognise is dangerous and may kill people, but it's OK because the truck is bigger than other traffic, so it's up to the other people to keep out of the way of the truck driver while he exercises his arrogant God given right to drive in what ever inconsiderate illegal and lethal manner he chooses? We better hope we never meet, I think we would not agree. And I will confidently predict that it will not be very long before you do indeed kill someone, (and won't give a toss, becuause it was the dead persons fault for not getting out of your way). but it won't be me, because I learned about pricks like you 40 years ago.

[98tls]

We posted at the same time, but yes your right.

My hope now is that anyone who has read this, when next out on the highway will see a truck/bus and think "hey that fuckwit newby might be driving that truck, and might not see me even though he has mirrors, so i will either follow behind, or get in front, or be anywhere else other than right next to those 25ton of steel so that even if he does move, i wont get hit!

Its not that difficult.

Point taken then and on reflection a good point.

[McJim]

The question is, why were you in lane two if there was nothing in lane one? Stay as far left at all times...there is a reason for that rule.

Errr. there was a large silver vehicle in lane one....isn't that what the thread is all about?

I used to be a cyclist so I am used to the assumption that everyone is a fuckwit and everyone is trying to kill me (that useed to include Moped riders).

Now I'm on a motorcycle I no longer feel threatened by pedestrians, cyclists, mopeds and motorcycles...well...not all motorcycles anyway but all other road users are actively trying to make my children orphans so I ride with that in mind.

[dipshit]

I always thought it was common sense to avoid lingering beside a truck or bus when on a motorbike.??

[Tank]

You can always give the bus "the lean"

[Bend-it]

By law, the rider is in the right for sure. But thats not what im talking about. Of course you use other lanes, but if your on something as vunerable as a bike, and going past something as big as a bus, then PASS the damn thing, even if its only by 5km speed difference.

If the rider had been doing that, then he would of been well past the bus by the time he looked in his mirror twice, then indicated and moved. You cant eliminate the risk, but minimise it.

THAT is what an experienced, intelligent road user would of done.

And even though there are mirrors, they are not perfect. There are fucken big blind spots, especially on the left.

yeah, the bike was on the RIGHT or can you not read either?? And if you have a blindspot, then do what everyone else does and turn your friggin' head to check.

If the biker SAW the driver in the mirror, then the driver would have seen the biker as well. Light travels in straight lines.

I HATE this bloody "Oh it's harder for me, so I won't do it and you can live with teh consequences bullshit". Feck off, turn in your license and ride a bus